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Originally Posted by joshuadowen View Post

Going back to the original issue... if there's a problem in Crossfit, it's a problem of inadequate quality control among coaches, rather than an inherent problem with the programming.

Yes, it sounds like everyone agrees. The problem is that newbies to crossfit are joining under the false auspices of proper instruction and coaching. Therefore, their injuries become largely attributed to an issue with the crossfit program (deserved or not). As TK pointed out, many weighlifters/strength trainees do so on their own without coaching. When they get injured, it's simply attributed to being an idiot or not seeking proper guidance rather than a programming issue. Crossfit is simply a different program with different goals, and we can respect that. Unfortunately in many gyms, it seems that Crossfit, which has become "hip/trendy" like it or not, has become an avenue for exploiting ignorance of novice lifters for profit at the expense of quality control and safety. Thus Crossfit gets the reputation it has.
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Originally Posted by VLSI View Post


Yes, it sounds like everyone agrees. The problem is that newbies to crossfit are joining under the false auspices of proper instruction and coaching. Therefore, their injuries become largely attributed to an issue with the crossfit program (deserved or not). As TK pointed out, many weighlifters/strength trainees do so on their own without coaching. When they get injured, it's simply attributed to being an idiot or not seeking proper guidance rather than a programming issue. Crossfit is simply a different program with different goals, and we can respect that. Unfortunately in many gyms, it seems that Crossfit, which has become "hip/trendy" like it or not, has become an avenue for exploiting ignorance of novice lifters for profit at the expense of quality control and safety. Thus Crossfit gets the reputation it has.

 

Yeah. I'd actually give people the benefit of the doubt and say the problem is not that anyone is trying to exploit novice athletes, but that novice athletes themselves are so easily able to become coaches. I dropped in at a gym outside Seattle where the owner/coach was a former computer programmer who started doing Crossfit, went to a certification, and a few months later had his own gym. He wasn't trying to take advantage of anyone, he just didn't have anywhere near to experience to be properly coaching anyone, particularly new athletes.

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simple solution, add http://www.amazon.com/Kerrygold-Pure-Irish-Butter-Salted/dp/B000CC1FM8

yeah I mean I use frozen veggies to add to a curry or something, but if I actually want the flavour of the veggies then they have to be fresh.
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Originally Posted by jarude View Post

ugh, the dirty bulk eating freedom bliss period has passed and it is now an obligation. sigh, time to load up the toast with nutella i suppose

what a great problem to have smile.gif

 

If you are not worried about fat intake you can have about 3 shakes/drinks over the day with around 4 tablespoons of olive oil in each, that's around 1,500 cal right there with just oil alone.

 

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Originally Posted by Nikolo View Post

Day 1 of IASBPR was pretty good. Squat is still low at about 225 lbs 3x5 but it will go up fast.... However, when I benched last week I was doing 265 lbs 3x6. I can press 225lbs froms starting from my chest. The thing is, I have pretty strong legs so it must be a height thing.

#feelsbadman


I've known a dude who can do the same amount of reps of 225lb on squat and bench, he's like 6"3 with long ass legs.

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Originally Posted by joshuasaussey View Post

If you are not worried about fat intake you can have about 3 shakes/drinks over the day with around 4 tablespoons of olive oil in each, that's around 1,500 cal right there with just oil alone.



I've known a dude who can do the same amount of reps of 225lb on squat and bench, he's like 6"3 with long ass legs.

*slowly raises hand*

though to my credit after my vacation I reset to 185 5x5 and and now am up to 245 5x5 on squarts. I forgot how fucking difficult it is doing a full body workout including 5x5 squats 3x/week
post #31221 of 57262
This pinched nerve thing has kept me from sleeping all night, leg feels like a bunch of dead weight. Legit getting worried now, calling doc as soon as the office opens.
post #31222 of 57262
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

not really.
I also don't see the point in repping olympic lifts, but to be doing that you're going to be lifting pretty light weight. if you're lifting light weight with good technique then you're probably even less likely to injure yourself that heavy weight with good technique. If you do either with bad technique then you're asking for it. Doesn't matter how many reps.

The only problem I have with crossfit is the goals. You're not going to get bigger or stronger on crossfit beyond beginner gains, so they should be honest about that.

It's conditioning, endurance and cardio. It's not "bigger, faster, stronger" or whatever their motto is.


If I recall Josh's strict overhead press is like 225lb and he squats like 405lb atg and that was about a year a go or however long ago he posted his lifts, which is a bit beyond beginner level.
post #31223 of 57262
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

The only problem I have with crossfit is the goals. You're not going to get bigger or stronger on crossfit beyond beginner gains, so they should be honest about that.


I dead lift 375 and bench 220 and that's after only being back for 3 months, from year long brake.

There's a couple guys, who dead 462+, bench 308 and push press 200, at my CF gym.
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

I dead lift 375 and bench 220 and that's after only being back for 3 months, from year long brake.

There's a couple guys, who dead 462+, bench 308 and push press 200, at my CF gym.

Did they make those strength gains exclusively through CF? I worked with a dude who was squatting 315+ in high school (supposedly). He was squatting that same 315 10 yrs later at his CF gym. Does that mean CF made him strong?

@joshua everything is good in theory. But if the theory doesn't account for human nature it's not very good. CF doesn't seem to account for coach quality control or the fact that noobs suck at determining what is good/bad technique/programming. Solo programs like SS aren't perfect, but they do emphasize learning proper technique rather than being taught technique by someone who may or may not know what the hell they are talking about. To me, if your odds of finding a good CF coach are less than... 50%, it's not a good program, no mattter how good it sounds on paper.
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Originally Posted by Cool The Kid View Post

Did they make those strength gains exclusively through CF? I worked with a dude who was squatting 315+ in high school (supposedly). He was squatting that same 315 10 yrs later at his CF gym. Does that mean CF made him strong?

@joshua everything is good in theory. But if the theory doesn't account for human nature it's not very good. CF doesn't seem to account for coach quality control or the fact that noobs suck at determining what is good/bad technique/programming. Solo programs like SS aren't perfect, but they do emphasize learning proper technique rather than being taught technique by someone who may or may not know what the hell they are talking about. To me, if your odds of finding a good CF coach are less than... 50%, it's not a good program, no mattter how good it sounds on paper.


Why you hating on neoclassical economics?


How does SS emphasize proper technique. Putting someone in the gym who can't squat 1 plate and might not even have the mobility to and telling them to do 5x5 3 times a week isn't necessarily going to result in perfect squat form. One of my favorite things to see in the gym is watching a noob bastardize the fuck out of a set of cleans (reverse curls from the floor) with 40kg on SS.
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Originally Posted by fuji View Post

Why you hating on neoclassical economics?


How does SS emphasize proper technique. Putting someone in the gym who can't squat 1 plate and might not even have the mobility to and telling them to do 5x5 3 times a week isn't necessarily going to result in perfect squat form. One of my favorite things to see in the gym is watching a noob bastardize the fuck out of a set of cleans (reverse curls from the floor) with 40kg on SS.
Reinhart-Rogoff have turned me off from economics completely.

SS doesn't emphasize it as much as not put the blame on someone else for you not learning proper technique. CF is flawed in the same way PTs are flawed. In theory a PT will show you technique and give you a structured program to fit your needs. In practice they tend to be clueless snake oil salesmen and sex offenders. I like things that work in practice
post #31227 of 57262
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Originally Posted by TKJTG View Post

Charly do you have another comp lined up?

November 2nd biggrin.gif

Looking to go 625 / 400 / 650 @ 198
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Originally Posted by joshuadowen View Post


Yea I agree with most of your points. I have no problem with crossfit in it's goal. It builds up conditioning and teaches you a bunch of different movements. But you see why I have an issue as with crossfit as a whole when crossfit is so heavily based upon coaching (majority not qualified imo), right? That's all really. smile.gif
post #31228 of 57262
I think rather than having to read that novel I'm going to say let's agree to disagree on this one.
post #31229 of 57262
Mark, try this stretch: http://www.exrx.net/Stretches/HipAbductors/LyingCrossover.html

it helped when I had an SI joint strain, and my pain was very similar to what you described.

Getting injured sucks but it's kind of inevitable. Luckily, you can still get a brolic upper body.

Also, Squat = Bench crew checking in. No shame.
post #31230 of 57262
Cambridge gym bought some sickening new bar. It's thick as fuck, really heavy and the collars spin really nicely. You can see th bearings on the back of the collars. Squatting with it now, feels berutiful. Guessing its a Texas squat bar or something. Feels significantly better then the eleiko one I usually uses which is really thin and bounces a bit.
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