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post #26836 of 49047
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Originally Posted by conceptionist View Post

This is probably gonna come off as dumb and broscience, but I'll ask anyway:

I've read that muscle gains start to come really slow after 2-5 years of regular training. I started to get serious with lifting (proper routine and diet) about a year ago, but had gone to the gym doing shit for 2 years prior to that. Now, I'm cutting which obviously hurt my gains. 

Does this mean that I'm throwing away my potential noob gains? Would I count those early years of curls and machines into regular lifting? Am I basically wasting my time and gains cutting at this point (I couldn't stand >15% bf though)?

TLDR: Is it the time that you've trained on a good routine or the actual gains you've made that determines when your gains slow down?

I probably shouldn't worry about this and just lift heavy and eat well, but the thought of soon getting gains at a snails pace absolutely terrifies me. And yes, my lifts are still low.

disregard the whole idea of noob gains and what they are and when they stop. i think its somewhat overblown; when you start lifting, gains come easy, and then the longer you're at it, gains don't come as easily - thats it. i think its very hard to satisfy that question the way you've worded it; i may have exhausted my noob gains on SL and plateaued, but then i got coached and i made ironclad progress on a new routine without stalling on anything for months. are those noob gains too? maybe, but ultimately it doesn't matter one bit. i dont want to talk too much about noob gains since i think you're barking up the wrong tree (yes I know you've admitted to this), but i think in a very general sense, gains are when

[everyone's body structure/proportions/existing strength/propensity for certain movements] + specific programming + gains acquired during said programming = X level of strength.

this is largely a load of horseshit since the quality of programming and how well you respond to it has a lot to do with how you progress when you're a beginner/intermediate, but in a very very broad and intentionally vague sense i think that's how you could define it. i think "noob gains" stop when progressing past X level of strength becomes difficult and the programming/diet/whatever has to be adjusted. in fact you should probably ignore everything before this sentence because it is too vague and misleading, but i suppose its an answer for the sake of having an answer. but by answer i really just mean my take on things, so take it with a grain of salt... fuck. anyways...

instead of being concerned with the noob gains thing, i really think you should be concerned with your attitude towards progress. getting gains at a snails pace is still getting gains, which is all you can ever hope for. if you lift long enough, it will happen - and what do you have to gain from being terrified of slow gains? think about why you got into lifting in the first place; you want to look better and be stronger, and now you continue to lift for the sake of lifting because you enjoy it. making slow gains is not mutually exclusive with the reasons you are lifting; its part of it. i think as you get stronger, you'll manage your expectations better; surely everyone gets bummed out the first time they stall on something after crushing it for months, but that same guy who keeps kicking ass two years down the road doing the right things consistently will be happier than a pig in shit when his squat goes up 10 lbs in a one month cycle. you'll appreciate the slow gains more than you will appreciate the easy gains since you had to work so hard for them.

if you manage to stay injury free in the long term and enjoy the small victories every week, you will succeed. worry about consistently doing the right things to get you to your goals and you win.
post #26837 of 49047
Eat and lift heavy.

If you aren't getting bigger, eat more and lift heavier.

If that ain't working and you still aren't happy, get some test, eat even more, and lift even heavier (0).
post #26838 of 49047
Fuck yeah I can do clapping dips. I got good at them so fast, I could only do 8 about a month ago and they were ugly as fuck and now I can do 30 or 10 with 20kg chained to myself. Also land mine presses are sick, I can see them being very good for people with shoulder problems too, but even for people without them they just feel really good, they hit your abs pretty hard too. Mate just finished his test cycle, got up from like 165lb to 210lb and has abs at that weight. Looks fucking swole, he's being a moody bitch now though because the PCT has started and he is having too many women feels. Brb why am I fat, brb do I even lift, brb im a fucking beta bitch male. He actually got pound for pound quite a bit weaker, he didn't get that much stronger, just put a shit ton of muscle on. Also styleforum, I am very excited I am going to a house party on Tuesday, haven't been to one of these in 2 years, it should be exciting, ill post pics of any sloots I acquire. I'm going to have to drink though, which will be a bit shit.
post #26839 of 49047
Cool. Thanks for the replys guys.

I'm not concerned with progress being slow (I mean, I cut while still having low numbers), I just want to be sure I can reach my goals in reasonable time.
post #26840 of 49047
Any of you guys own what you'd consider to be an above-average chef's knife? I've had my block-o-knives since Christmas 2007, so I'm feeling like I should upgrade at least the chef's knife. Not looking to spend a crazy amount of money. Also need some reassurance that I'm not going to amputate a finger so long as I'm careful with one of these suckers.
post #26841 of 49047
I know they're for McMansion dwellers who outfit their kitchens with overpriced shit from WS, but I have some Shuns and Wusthofs. I probably use my 8" Shun more than the Wusthof, but it isn't faultless.

Initially, the Shun was sharper. Now they're about the same. The Shun is better balanced and feels better in my hand imo. The Shun's hard metal/paper thin edge = prone to tiny chips (Shun will sharpen your knives for as long as you own them but they won't repair chips), even with a ceramic honing rod and being ultra careful. The Wusthof's blade edge is definitely more rugged.

I have two full blocks of knives but these days, I never use any of them except the chef's knife, filet/boning knife, paring knife, honing rod, and maybe the shears.
post #26842 of 49047
Do those fucking little clamp things you put on the end of a bar bell even do anything? I always go through the trouble of hunting down a pair, but then I think about if something went awry, would those little clamps support the weight?
post #26843 of 49047
yes
post #26844 of 49047
Agree with everything jarude said but would like to add a point:

Usually when a beginner starts stalling on his lifts, it's not because he's exiting his beginner stage of lifting but rather it's because there's something wrong with his form. It takes a lot longer than people tend to think for gains to actually slow down, since once they figure out their form issues they usually begin progressing again.
post #26845 of 49047
Went to my tailor to have one of my suits let out - he made it for me about 6 months ago. He told me the alterations were all related to an increase in lats. Win.
post #26846 of 49047
Damnnnnn hit 290 lbs ATG for reps and it wasn't even that bad. Next Wednesday I'll be squatting 300, which has been a goal of mine for a really long time. I can't wait! Gotta think of a way to celebrate. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #26847 of 49047
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Originally Posted by APK View Post

Any of you guys own what you'd consider to be an above-average chef's knife? I've had my block-o-knives since Christmas 2007, so I'm feeling like I should upgrade at least the chef's knife. Not looking to spend a crazy amount of money. Also need some reassurance that I'm not going to amputate a finger so long as I'm careful with one of these suckers.
Victorinox forschner for $25

Or a tojiro dp gyuto for $90 if you want an even better upgrade

I gave my gf the forschner and when I used it the other day I was still surprised at how good and sharp it was

My school restaurant also uses them exclusively. Nice cheap durable sharp knife that you can throw around wth no worries. None of this carbon steel rusting nonsense

If you use proper technique it's more likely that you'll be amputated from a dull knife than a sharp one. Claw we is your cutting, fingers in a row, thumb behind the row, grasp the knife with the fleshy part of your index finger on top of the knife like you're pinching it. If you have a western chefs knife you will want to use a rocking motion with the tip of the blade on the cutting board. Put a wet paper towel on the bottom of the cutting board.

I would say buy some whetstones but if you're a lazy unskilled sob like me I'd recommend investing in an edge pro. It's worth it
post #26848 of 49047
Jarude you going to GDC? If not lucky you.. fucking 9-5 inside a place that wont even let you bring in water. I'm gonna be the asshole rolling on a lacross ball in the middle of the convention.
post #26849 of 49047
Fat jewish brah I train with has bought himself some steroids. He cannot deadlift bodyweight for 1 rep, will not squat, trains abs everyday, cannot do a pull up or a dip and refuses to train with any intensity at all. This is going to be hilarious, I predict no gains. He's already gone through fucking loads of ephederine and didn't loose any weight, he keeps looking for something magic to drop the weight. He's very depressed because he just got rejected by deutsche bank, JP morgan, Goldman and blackrock and his plan is to tell them that the reason he didn't have an internship is because he was getting shredded. He also refuses to pin so he's running an oral only because he's fucking retarded.
post #26850 of 49047
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Originally Posted by fuji View Post

Fat jewish brah I train with has bought himself some steroids. He cannot deadlift bodyweight for 1 rep, will not squat, trains abs everyday, cannot do a pull up or a dip and refuses to train with any intensity at all. This is going to be hilarious, I predict no gains. He's already gone through fucking loads of ephederine and didn't loose any weight, he keeps looking for something magic to drop the weight. He's very depressed because he just got rejected by deutsche bank, JP morgan, Goldman and blackrock and his plan is to tell them that the reason he didn't have an internship is because he was getting shredded. He also refuses to pin so he's running an oral only because he's fucking retarded.

Haha well hopefully he's going to run a test only cycle and a proper PCT or prepare for him to get even more depressed lol

Why does he refuse to pin?
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