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post #26566 of 49494
This forum is weird. Everyone I know IRL can swim.

You non-swimmer dudes need to take some Total Immersion classes.
post #26567 of 49494
Also can't swim lol
post #26568 of 49494
Again, didn't grow up near any pools or clean bodies of water. For the folks who learned how to swim... WHERE did you learn?
post #26569 of 49494
BRB, about to go squat 495 for reps.

Will be back for essay on "How to Not Drown"
post #26570 of 49494
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Originally Posted by Cool The Kid View Post

Again, didn't grow up near any pools or clean bodies of water. For the folks who learned how to swim... WHERE did you learn?

Every summer my pop would bring us kids to a pool on weekends, our family vacations were usually at the beach, and had mandatory swimming classes in school from the second to fourth grade.
post #26571 of 49494

i grew up upstate, spent summer afternoons at a swimming hole, camping near lakes, jumping off waterfalls and aqueducts. Creek and Lake swimming is the greatest.

 

also, chubbier growing up i was a good floater, not exactly lean now but my buoyancy is determinant on whether I've got a full breath in my lungs

post #26572 of 49494
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Originally Posted by db_ggmm View Post

Both of you are explaining the reality of the situation as a counterpoint to concealed's statement, but reality in this case is the meltdown that is modern collegiate education. You are defending your choices, which are dictated by the situation. Concealed is suggesting the modern situation is a shitty one. And it is.

 

Correct.  I do not deny that it is the pragmatic approach and sad reality of education.  In my idealistic brain education shouldn't be job training or resume building.  Final point, Mr. fuji based on your posts of talking about "acquiring sloots" a bit of culture could go a long way.  Apologies for the off-topic detour.

post #26573 of 49494
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Originally Posted by JayJay View Post

Explain #4. Why is cardio detrimental?

Yes, please to explain.

I was in pretty good shape throughout high school, wrestled and swam competitively. I'm around 5'10, and considered 160 to be my prime weight. Fast forward two years, sophmore in college, and i'm 197 and grossly out of shape.

Anyway, I digress. Decided to take control of my situation around 2 months ago. Started Stronglifts5x5 on a low carb diet. Seeing pretty good gains in strength, and have so far lost around 12 pounds.

I lift three days a week (M,W,F) and in between those days I do pushups/chinups/ab work, and try to run at least 3k.

This has been working for me... but I still see a lot of people saying cardio while lifting is no good.

For what it's worth, i'll be completely honest here, i'm much more out for hypertrophy and looking like Brad Pitt in fight club than getting swole and huge.

So basically, my plan is to shed as much bodyfat as possible, and lift the highest weight possible, in order to attain a lean, chiselled, well defined aesthetic.

Am I doing the right thing? I'm sure it's common knowledge round here, but Stronglifts consists of two workouts, one is Squat, Bench Press, Barbell Rows, the other is Squats, Overhead Press, Deadlift. You do 5 sets of 5 reps on each exercise except deadlifts, where you do 1x5...

Should I stick in any isolation exercises in there on specific days, or will I be set doing just those?
post #26574 of 49494
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Originally Posted by Cool The Kid View Post

Again, didn't grow up near any pools or clean bodies of water. For the folks who learned how to swim... WHERE did you learn?

Shut up with this "I live in NY" bullshit. NY does WAY more than most cities in the way of providing swim programs, public pools, and other shit. Not to mention the whole fucking area is rimmed by beaches.

Here - adult swim programs - http://www.nycgovparks.org/registration/aquatics
post #26575 of 49494
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Originally Posted by concealed View Post

Correct.  I do not deny that it is the pragmatic approach and sad reality of education.  In my idealistic brain education shouldn't be job training or resume building.  Final point, Mr. fuji based on your posts of talking about "acquiring sloots" a bit of culture could go a long way.  Apologies for the off-topic detour.


So basically in your ideal situation I should be paying $150k for no reason then? So that $150k I'm spending should put me at no advantage over someone not spending the $150k in fact it would put me at a disadvantage because I would have 3 years less work experience. What gain is there at all from learning about liberal arts? in your idealistic world I wouldn't be at university wasting my time on a useless degree i'd have applied to KPMG when I finished A levels and done a training program. Disregard culture acquire aesthetics.


Mark, I don't think SS is really the best program for acquiring your goal/any goal at all because it's shit. People don't recommend cardio whilst trying to put on muscle because its counter productive, once you get past the noob gains your not going to put on muscle whilst loosing fat. The cardio is just going to make it harder to put on muscle because of the increased amount of calories you'll need and the additional time you'll need to recover.
post #26576 of 49494
you have to travel (1+hr from manhattan) for the decent beaches in nyc. so its really not that convenient. unless you want to swim at coney island or something
post #26577 of 49494
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Originally Posted by MarkI View Post

Yes, please to explain.

I was in pretty good shape throughout high school, wrestled and swam competitively. I'm around 5'10, and considered 160 to be my prime weight. Fast forward two years, sophmore in college, and i'm 197 and grossly out of shape.

Anyway, I digress. Decided to take control of my situation around 2 months ago. Started Stronglifts5x5 on a low carb diet. Seeing pretty good gains in strength, and have so far lost around 12 pounds.

I lift three days a week (M,W,F) and in between those days I do pushups/chinups/ab work, and try to run at least 3k.

This has been working for me... but I still see a lot of people saying cardio while lifting is no good.

For what it's worth, i'll be completely honest here, i'm much more out for hypertrophy and looking like Brad Pitt in fight club than getting swole and huge.

So basically, my plan is to shed as much bodyfat as possible, and lift the highest weight possible, in order to attain a lean, chiselled, well defined aesthetic.

Am I doing the right thing? I'm sure it's common knowledge round here, but Stronglifts consists of two workouts, one is Squat, Bench Press, Barbell Rows, the other is Squats, Overhead Press, Deadlift. You do 5 sets of 5 reps on each exercise except deadlifts, where you do 1x5...

Should I stick in any isolation exercises in there on specific days, or will I be set doing just those?

People say don't do cardio for RFL (the diet in question) in particular because it's an intense cutting diet that aims to keep as much muscle as possible. A lot of the diet (and most cutting diets in particular) is based on keeping your strength up to maintain your lifts/mass but otherwise shed bodyfat. Cardio will just sap what little energy you do have. Plus, if you're trying to lose weight, eating 500 kcal less a day is way easier than jogging for an 45 minutes.

Generally, cardio is good for cardiovascular health, but it's terrible for getting aesthetc; the easiest way of thinking of this is that your body has two modes: anabolic (building) or catabolic (breaking down), with catabolic processes taking priority. If you're doing intense cardio, you'll find it harder to gain muscle (on a surplus), and your body is going to lose more muscle than if you were just lifting (on a defecit). If you're going to do cardio, make sure it's not super intense and eat the calories you burn.

Your body needs time to recover, and pushups is not recovery. You're going to run out of strength gains with your in-between days and right now strength is everything. Do stronglifts as written, but I like to recommend that people add some arm accessory work (Bicep Curls on the deadlift day, tricep extension/dips on the bench press day)

For best results track your calories. livestrong/myfitnesspal apps are great. Get 1g protein/lbm a day. Figure out your maintenance level. you want to gain weight, eat 500 extra calories a day. If you want to lose weight, eat 500 calories less than your maintenence a day.

Also, 2-4 lbs of your weight loss are due to your low carb diet making you lose water weight. It will come back, so aim to get below your target weight.
post #26578 of 49494
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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post

Shut up with this "I live in NY" bullshit. NY does WAY more than most cities in the way of providing swim programs, public pools, and other shit. Not to mention the whole fucking area is rimmed by beaches.

Here - adult swim programs - http://www.nycgovparks.org/registration/aquatics

Agreed, granted I grew up in The Rockaways, which is a beach town, but still, it's only 45 minute train ride to the city. I work and go to school in the city, and did the same when I was in HS. I'm a pretty great swimmer if I say so myself, to the point where I did it competitively. Really no excuse.

I also had a crazy Russian father who threw me into the pool when I was like 5, so meh.

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Originally Posted by fuji View Post

So basically in your ideal situation I should be paying $150k for no reason then? So that $150k I'm spending should put me at no advantage over someone not spending the $150k in fact it would put me at a disadvantage because I would have 3 years less work experience. What gain is there at all from learning about liberal arts? in your idealistic world I wouldn't be at university wasting my time on a useless degree i'd have applied to KPMG when I finished A levels and done a training program. Disregard culture acquire aesthetics.


Mark, I don't think SS is really the best program for acquiring your goal/any goal at all because it's shit. People don't recommend cardio whilst trying to put on muscle because its counter productive, once you get past the noob gains your not going to put on muscle whilst loosing fat. The cardio is just going to make it harder to put on muscle because of the increased amount of calories you'll need and the additional time you'll need to recover.

What kind of program would you recommend then?
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Originally Posted by GraphicNovelty View Post

People say don't do cardio for RFL (the diet in question) in particular because it's an intense cutting diet that aims to keep as much muscle as possible. A lot of the diet (and most cutting diets in particular) is based on keeping your strength up to maintain your lifts/mass but otherwise shed bodyfat. Cardio will just sap what little energy you do have. Plus, if you're trying to lose weight, eating 500 kcal less a day is way easier than jogging for an 45 minutes.

Generally, cardio is good for cardiovascular health, but it's terrible for getting aesthetc; the easiest way of thinking of this is that your body has two modes: anabolic (building) or catabolic (breaking down), with catabolic processes taking priority. If you're doing intense cardio, you'll find it harder to gain muscle (on a surplus), and your body is going to lose more muscle than if you were just lifting (on a defecit). If you're going to do cardio, make sure it's not super intense and eat the calories you burn.

Your body needs time to recover, and pushups is not recovery. You're going to run out of strength gains with your in-between days and right now strength is everything. Do stronglifts as written, but I like to recommend that people add some arm accessory work (Bicep Curls on the deadlift day, tricep extension/dips on the bench press day)

For best results track your calories. livestrong/myfitnesspal apps are great. Get 1g protein/lbm a day. Figure out your maintenance level. you want to gain weight, eat 500 extra calories a day. If you want to lose weight, eat 500 calories less than your maintenence a day.

Also, 2-4 lbs of your weight loss are due to your low carb diet making you lose water weight. It will come back, so aim to get below your target weight.

I used MFP in the beginning, but at this point I have a pretty solid idea of what I need to be eating/not to be eating to be below maintenance. I just ordered a tub of protein off of amazon, so i'm going to be getting into that (optimum nutrition whey gold standard)

ill incorporate those exercises you listed. I tried looking it up on my own, but i got all discombobulated, in a nutshell could one of you guys tell me what parts of your body each exercise in Stronglifts works out? then i could research what other exercises i could do on those days
post #26579 of 49494
You don't really need to do any extra exercises. Stronglifts is a lot of compound, multi-joint lifts and so it hits your entire body really hard. You will see definite gains as long as you are increasing weight each workout and getting enough protein. It's common to feel like you're not doing enough on a program, considering it's only 3-4 exercises, but if you think about it each compound lift is the equivalent of 2-3 isolation exercises, only better.

The only real "hole" is arm isolation stuff (while you do get arm engagement, but not enough to see super gains IMO). Otherwise, don't worry about changing the program.
post #26580 of 49494
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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post

Shut up with this "I live in NY" bullshit. NY does WAY more than most cities in the way of providing swim programs, public pools, and other shit. Not to mention the whole fucking area is rimmed by beaches.

Here - adult swim programs - http://www.nycgovparks.org/registration/aquatics

Where are you from?

In your link you sign up to put your name into a lottery to be chosen to get free lessons. If anything that speaks to my point.

And in any case, lessons are not enough. You need practice. I took swimming lessons as a kid (~12yo). From there I didn't have access to a pool regularly till about 12 years later. Parents were too busy/tired to take me to the beach. Wifey and I went to Coney Island a lot over the summer... its crowded as fuck. So its def not that easy. I know a lot of NYCers who can't swim.

Not to mention those public pools are nasty as shit. Syringes, condoms, all types of fuckery. They opened a new pool in BK, they closed it the 3rd day cause someone took a shit in it. So you can google "NYC swimming pools" all you want but at the end of the day its not that fucking simple. When I took lessons I had to go from one end of Queens (Rosedale) to the other (Astoria/Elmhurst). It was like 1-2 hours each way.
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