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post #25216 of 49399
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Originally Posted by fuji View Post

Lettuce be cereal here, i'm guessing none of our "real worlds" require particularly much strength, endurance or speed.

grading microecon papers takes all of those because MWG is heavy as fuck shit weighs like at least 4 pounds
endurance because grading 100 papers is boring as fuck
speed because i get paid on a paper by paper basis
post #25217 of 49399
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Originally Posted by jarude View Post

i'm with josh on this one... you guys view lifting vs cardio/conditioning as an entirely "either/or" thing. it is quite possible to gain strength and size at the same time as improving your conditioning. restricting rest periods, supersetting, tabatas, 20-reppers, circuits or cardio finishers are simple and contextually appropriate for everyone. doing these things is not going to cause you to spontaneously combust, kill all gainz and break down all muscle tissue. these are not mutually exclusive concepts.

dat first unit of marginal utility i've gained from building up my conditioning is well worth it. im able to maintain the same output of strength for longer, do more more volume with more intensity with less rest, etc; the benefits to any lifter are beyond obvious here. it is a piss-poor excuse to dismiss the benefits of GPP and conditioning on account of ***gainz*** because one could only possibly benefit from a reasonable and appropriate amount of conditioning thrown in.

no one is saying you have to do everything in a circuit and rip out 7 minutes of burpees. "conditioning" is not exclusively bodyweight circuits. it is not an overcomplication, and its a logical fallacy to assume this very broad concept is something diametrically opposed to the goals of anyone who wants to get big and strong. i don't buy the functional strength business outside of being a generally useful person who doesn't get sick or injured easily and can pick up things and not get winded going up stairs. this also has nothing to do with some ideological condemnation of the irony of someone dedicating themselves to lifting but can't do cardio. from a purely performance, aesthetic, and strength standpoint, EVERYONE itt would benefit from working in reasonable and appropriate conditioning conducive to their goals. everyone. greater conditioning = doing more work in less time. being more efficient is not going to jack up your grocery bill to an unreasonable amount and prevent you from putting on size.

i think its a poor excuse for anyone remotely interested in lifting or fitness to disregard it on account of gainzzz. for the vast majority, its definitely a "why not" versus "why." as for the not working hard thing - are people afraid of hard work? is it somehow superior to not have a "hard workout?" i don't confuse feeling like i've been kicked in the sack with automatic gains, but taking things easy for the sake of taking things easy is pretty lame and i have to question the validity of something as devoid of quantitative benefit as "LOL working hard is for noobs, youre wasting time."

key words here are reasonable and appropriate. for the average gymrat wanting to get big and strong, no reason not to work with supersets and restricted rest periods and perhaps a circuit or two. for a guy two weeks out from a comp, it would be a pretty bad idea to do 15 minute HIIT sessions. to dismiss it outright is a cop-out, and i question the ability to harden the fuck up of those who do.
I lol'ed at the bolded because I remember someone (TK?) going "fuck I hate stairs I'm winded and dripping in sweat by the next floor" earlier ITT.

Also agree with the first line. Strength and conditioning aren't a dichotomy. Sports are indicative of that. And I know a few of us ITT at least play sports at some level, and at least for me quickness and agility >>> bulking and mad liftzzzz for my playing style.
post #25218 of 49399
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Originally Posted by joshuadowen View Post

 

This, and much of what goes on in this forum, reflects a very narrow view of fitness where strength is all that matters. Yes you've gotten stronger and bigger, but if you don't break a sweat working out, your endurance and stamina are going to be crap. I don't think it's a matter of cardiovascular health. I think it's about fitness. My favorite definition of fitness is that it's the ability to move heavy loads long distances, quickly. Your slow leisurely workouts have left you able to move very heavy loads, but you can't move them very far, and you certainly can't do it very quickly. You are so focused on one aspect of fitness that you are missing out on the other two. This may not matter to you because your interest is in getting big and in posting good numbers, rather than in any real application of fitness, but don't fall into the trap of starting to think that the gym is the real world. The gym is not the real world. The gym is training for the real world, and in the real world, speed, stamina, and endurance are all just as important as strength. A real athlete has to have all of these things. 

 

The real world for a lot people in 1st world countries is sitting behind a desk or some other very nonphysical job. so the gym is really about becoming the person you want to become. Will a certain level of cardiovascular health increase your likelihood of overall health and longevity? sure...but there is only so much of the pie to eat from daily. If you want your strength to increase as fast as possible things like conditioning have to be second priority. and while noone in this thread is an elite strength athlete (totaling elite I mean) it only makes sense to put as much energy as possible toward the your main goal, and if you need to bring up a lagging part do it in 12-16 week blocks where you maintain your current strength and focus on something else. 

 

But what do i know, im a 220 lb fatty trying to cut, so I currently hate any form of cardio!

post #25219 of 49399
Wish almond milk had more calories, could easily do GOMAD with this stuff.
post #25220 of 49399
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Originally Posted by Lagrangian View Post

grading microecon papers takes all of those because MWG is heavy as fuck shit weighs like at least 4 pounds
endurance because grading 100 papers is boring as fuck
speed because i get paid on a paper by paper basis

Are you like the masters student who teaches me econ who didn't know what a nash cournot equilibrium is then?
post #25221 of 49399
kinda like that without the not knowing part
post #25222 of 49399
http://www.residentadvisor.net/event.aspx?441274

Anyone heard of these DJs? Going tonight, mate is excited as fuck because apparently they're quite famous, but I only listen to biggie so I don't know about techno or whatever it is.
post #25223 of 49399
Man.. been v. tired this week for some reason.. maybe with moving in all.
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Originally Posted by stinger70 View Post

Wish almond milk had more calories, could easily do GOMAD with this stuff.

I did Gomad with goats milk.
post #25224 of 49399
cumin, lime/lemon juice and feta cheese is the secret to godly quinoa salad
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Don't remember if this has been asked before, but is IA SPBR suitable for complete beginners? My mate was very weak when I had him do try some lifts last week (struggling with 20lbs DB press for 10 reps). I want to make him start that routine since I've done it myself and can guide him, but I'm not sure if the big variety of lifts and decent volume is appropriate for a newbie. Maybe he should focus more on just the compounds at the start.

 

If he's going to do SPBR, I'm removing one set from all of the accessory lifts for better recovery and so he'll get out of the gym faster. Maybe you can chime in TW, if you're looking.

post #25226 of 49399
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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post

Speaking of dieting I need to get a little more dialed in here. Trying to shed some fat for the next month. Will be in the gym 3-4 days a week and, hopefully, morning cardio on the off days. Currently I'm at 2324 calories, broken into - 177g carbs, 69.5g fat, and 222g of protein. Been doing this for the past 2 weeks and its been good, but I figured I'd check and see if I could pull it together a bit more. Have at it.

hate to break up the idiocy here, but...anyone? opinions? comments? concerns???
post #25227 of 49399
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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post


hate to break up the idiocy here, but...anyone? opinions? comments? concerns???

 

How big of a deficit is 2300 calories? I think you can drop the carbs even lower and up the fat to 90g or so. As far as I know, it's an effective method when the fat loss seems to slow down.

 

If you get serious carb cravings, you might want to check out carb and calorie cycling. It basically goes like this:

Workout days: Moderate protein (200-230g), carbs higher (250-350) fat very low (30-50g). Eat pretty much all carbs post workout. Starchy carbs and some fast/sugary (cereal and the like) is ok. Calories are maintanance or -10% or so.

Rest days: Protein is the same to maybe a bit higher. Carbs are very low (only some fruit, berries and veggies), while fat is moderately high (70-90g). Bigger calorie deficit (-20 to -30%)

post #25228 of 49399
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Originally Posted by conceptionist View Post

Don't remember if this has been asked before, but is IA SPBR suitable for complete beginners? My mate was very weak when I had him do try some lifts last week (struggling with 20lbs DB press for 10 reps). I want to make him start that routine since I've done it myself and can guide him, but I'm not sure if the big variety of lifts and decent volume is appropriate for a newbie. Maybe he should focus more on just the compounds at the start.


If he's going to do SPBR, I'm removing one set from all of the accessory lifts for better recovery and so he'll get out of the gym faster. Maybe you can chime in TW, if you're looking.

Beginner as in 'never been the gym'? I can't really comment since I was already casually working out and conditioning before trying IA. In that sense I was already familiar with weight training, and so the SPBR was not a huge workload jump.
post #25229 of 49399
conceptionist:

Stripped 5x5 is probably a better starting point. IT'll have him focus on the important lifts. IA SPBR when he maxes out newb gains.
post #25230 of 49399
Yesterday, AM basketball practice, then front squat + rdl + hypertrophy push-pull @ 5pm.

Thanks to diet advice from you guys, here's dinner @ 8pm.



chicken tenders and nuggets (plus some spinach, no vis).
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