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post #25201 of 48523
I kill myself nearly every single training session. I limp out of the gym beat up and soaked in sweat.

I think it increases my ability for more workload in future - increases my conditioning. But not straight aerobic conditioning. I think it's a split between aerobic conditioning and CNS conditioning, leaning way more towards the latter.

That being said, if you want to bring your body to a level where you need a highly efficient aerobic system but not a lot of strength, then I guess 7 minutes of burpees has its place. Think typical needs of running, crossfit, etc.

If you're aiming for strength and/or size? 7 minutes of burpees? Ummm..............
post #25202 of 48523
I just want you all to know that I hate you equally, whether you do 8 minutes of burpees or lift 400lbs.
post #25203 of 48523
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Originally Posted by joshuadowen View Post

The gym is not the real world. The gym is training for the real world, and in the real world, speed, stamina, and endurance are all just as important as strength. A real athlete has to have all of these things. 

Training for the real world? Please explain where the ability to do 7 minutes of burpees applies to the "real world." I'm just curious.
post #25204 of 48523
BTW, officially 9 weeks left of training til progressive overload time.

Looks very hopeful for 570/375/610 icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gifbiggrin.gif
post #25205 of 48523
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Originally Posted by joshuadowen View Post

This, and much of what goes on in this forum, reflects a very narrow view of fitness where strength is all that matters. Yes you've gotten stronger and bigger, but if you don't break a sweat working out, your endurance and stamina are going to be crap. I don't think it's a matter of cardiovascular health. I think it's about fitness. My favorite definition of fitness is that it's the ability to move heavy loads long distances, quickly. Your slow leisurely workouts have left you able to move very heavy loads, but you can't move them very far, and you certainly can't do it very quickly. You are so focused on one aspect of fitness that you are missing out on the other two. This may not matter to you because your interest is in getting big and in posting good numbers, rather than in any real application of fitness, but don't fall into the trap of starting to think that the gym is the real world. The gym is not the real world. The gym is training for the real world, and in the real world, speed, stamina, and endurance are all just as important as strength. A real athlete has to have all of these things. 


Lettuce be cereal here, i'm guessing none of our "real worlds" require particularly much strength, endurance or speed. It's not like when in 20 minutes I go to sainsburys to buy some food i'm gonna get chased by a cheetah and the sainsburys is 10 miles away and my groceries weigh 220lb. The gym is significantly more intense then anything i do outside of the gym, I doubt i'll be in a real life situation where I need to use anywhere near my maximal strength. For chariy and TKJTJ there gym training isn't for the real world, it's for a bodybuilding stage and a powerlifting competition where endurance is not necessarily important.
post #25206 of 48523
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Originally Posted by fuji View Post

Lettuce be cereal here, i'm guessing none of our "real worlds" require particularly much strength, endurance or speed. It's not like when in 20 minutes I go to sainsburys to buy some food i'm gonna get chased by a cheetah and the sainsburys is 10 miles away and my groceries weigh 220lb. The gym is significantly more intense then anything i do outside of the gym, I doubt i'll be in a real life situation where I need to use anywhere near my maximal strength. For chariy and TKJTJ there gym training isn't for the real world, it's for a bodybuilding stage and a powerlifting competition where endurance is not necessarily important.

It take a lot of endurance to walk up to the platform foo.gif (1000000000000000)
post #25207 of 48523
TKTJG I was talking about 7 mins of burpees

I think a lot of folks really assign way more importance to their workouts. I work out because I want to have big muscles, I enjoy it and from what I understand it has health benefits. All the talk of "functional strength" and "athleticism" seems a lil goofy in a country where physical activity is limited to walking between your car + wherever you're going.
post #25208 of 48523
I'd like to workout with charly to just compare my workload and how hard i push myself in the gym vs him. I like it on the days that the serious powerlifters are in my gym because I try to keep up with them.
post #25209 of 48523
Went to sainsburys to buy some food to make myself some more gains. Was looking for a bit of curry paste because I've been eating fairly bland food and wanted a change. Looking in the international food section I see this



Sign from the gods/sainsburys my programs working, clearly mirin my juicy squat from yesterday.
post #25210 of 48523
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Originally Posted by Coldsnap View Post

I'd like to workout with charly to just compare my workload and how hard i push myself in the gym vs him. I like it on the days that the serious powerlifters are in my gym because I try to keep up with them.

If you or anyone is around Philadelphia and want to train, hit me me. Always welcome.
post #25211 of 48523
i'm with josh on this one... you guys view lifting vs cardio/conditioning as an entirely "either/or" thing. it is quite possible to gain strength and size at the same time as improving your conditioning. restricting rest periods, supersetting, tabatas, 20-reppers, circuits or cardio finishers are simple and contextually appropriate for everyone. doing these things is not going to cause you to spontaneously combust, kill all gainz and break down all muscle tissue. these are not mutually exclusive concepts.

dat first unit of marginal utility i've gained from building up my conditioning is well worth it. im able to maintain the same output of strength for longer, do more more volume with more intensity with less rest, etc; the benefits to any lifter are beyond obvious here. it is a piss-poor excuse to dismiss the benefits of GPP and conditioning on account of ***gainz*** because one could only possibly benefit from a reasonable and appropriate amount of conditioning thrown in.

no one is saying you have to do everything in a circuit and rip out 7 minutes of burpees. "conditioning" is not exclusively bodyweight circuits. it is not an overcomplication, and its a logical fallacy to assume this very broad concept is something diametrically opposed to the goals of anyone who wants to get big and strong. i don't buy the functional strength business outside of being a generally useful person who doesn't get sick or injured easily and can pick up things and not get winded going up stairs. this also has nothing to do with some ideological condemnation of the irony of someone dedicating themselves to lifting but can't do cardio. from a purely performance, aesthetic, and strength standpoint, EVERYONE itt would benefit from working in reasonable and appropriate conditioning conducive to their goals. everyone. greater conditioning = doing more work in less time. being more efficient is not going to jack up your grocery bill to an unreasonable amount and prevent you from putting on size.

i think its a poor excuse for anyone remotely interested in lifting or fitness to disregard it on account of gainzzz. for the vast majority, its definitely a "why not" versus "why." as for the not working hard thing - are people afraid of hard work? is it somehow superior to not have a "hard workout?" i don't confuse feeling like i've been kicked in the sack with automatic gains, but taking things easy for the sake of taking things easy is pretty lame and i have to question the validity of something as devoid of quantitative benefit as "LOL working hard is for noobs, youre wasting time."

key words here are reasonable and appropriate. for the average gymrat wanting to get big and strong, no reason not to work with supersets and restricted rest periods and perhaps a circuit or two. for a guy two weeks out from a comp, it would be a pretty bad idea to do 15 minute HIIT sessions. to dismiss it outright is a cop-out, and i question the ability to harden the fuck up of those who do.
post #25212 of 48523
Downgraded my gym so i have more skrilla (Equinox -> NYSC). Gonna check it out today and see what's up.

After injuring my back lifting heavy i started fucking with kettlebells. Now i like that more than any of the lifting stuff because it feels like more output over time and i just generally felt more athletic and I liked working up a sweat that way. I'm dissappointed y'all don't jump on that bandwagon because it's awesome,

That was, till i was sidelined. RRRRRRG
post #25213 of 48523
I do restricted rest periods, 20 rep squats and super sets already. My level of conditioning is good enough to do them, I don't need to get my conditioning to the point where I can do 7 minutes of burpees though, I only need to get my conditioning to what is required for what I need to do, there wouldn't be any real benefit to increasing it unless I decide I want to do 40 rep squats or something. When I changed from doing squat doubles multiple times a week to my current split I needed to improve my conditioning, but unless I change to something that needs more conditioning why would I improve it?
post #25214 of 48523
then we agree and you are doing something that is reasonable and appropriate
post #25215 of 48523
A lot of it just comes down to personal preference too

I like to keep things simple as dropsets and all that make it hard to gauge progress. And I find indoor cardio to be boring as hell... I would rather ride my bike for 30 miles than run on a treadmill for 30 ft. Only exception to that is swimming or indoor basketball

If someone can prove to me that complexity = faster gains w/some kind of study then I will jump ship. But complexity for complexity's sake just seems like a waste of time and effort.
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