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post #24286 of 49510
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Originally Posted by Eason View Post



Wait what? Joshuadowen is on a 1500 deficit? Why u like metabolic damage?

 

Not really worried about that. Like I said, this wasn't out of nowhere. My body is pretty well adapted to a near-zero carb intake and I've fasted before. I have no symptoms of metabolic damage. My energy levels are fine. I've got very little appetite. I'm losing about a pound a day. I'm taking in plenty of protein so muscle loss should be little to none. My workouts aren't suffering. 

 

There's literally no reason to think that I should suffer any sort of "metabolic damage" from this. On a more general note, I haven't read a single scientifically rigorous article/study that says "metabolic damage" is even a real thing. If you've got one, kindly share it.

post #24287 of 49510
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

Maybe the key word here is deep, but whenever I do squats (which I believe to be deep, btw), I feel like only my quads (and butt cheeks) are getting bigger, so while my thighs look bigger when you're looking at them front-on, the sides of my legs never seem to develop..

depth is key. if you can't manage that, cycling (spin class, doing cardio on the bike, etc.) is great for the outer quads.
post #24288 of 49510
This is considered deep btw:

post #24289 of 49510
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Originally Posted by Flame View Post

This is considered deep btw:

 

Are those 100lb plates? That's some serious bar bend.

post #24290 of 49510
Maybe the bar itself is super springy.
post #24291 of 49510
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Originally Posted by joshuadowen View Post

Not really worried about that. Like I said, this wasn't out of nowhere. My body is pretty well adapted to a near-zero carb intake and I've fasted before. I have no symptoms of metabolic damage. My energy levels are fine. I've got very little appetite. I'm losing about a pound a day. I'm taking in plenty of protein so muscle loss should be little to none. My workouts aren't suffering. 

There's literally no reason to think that I should suffer any sort of "metabolic damage" from this. On a more general note, I haven't read a single scientifically rigorous article/study that says "metabolic damage" is even a real thing. If you've got one, kindly share it.

It will cause your thyroid levels, and testosterone to go hit bottom while your cortisol will go up. Your metabolism gets repressed, I call that damage. These are physiological facts.
post #24292 of 49510
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Originally Posted by Eason View Post


It will cause your thyroid levels, and testosterone to go hit bottom while your cortisol will go up. Your metabolism gets repressed, I call that damage. These are physiological facts.

 

It sounds to me like you are regurgitating the shit of fear-mongers, rather than sharing any useful science. Long-term fasting and/or calorie restriction affect baseline levels of these hormones.  The effect, however, is not cumulative (i.e., testosterone levels don't continue to drop as the fast goes on, and cortisol levels don't continue to rise). These baselines return to normal as soon as the fast is broken and/or calorie intake is restored. The metabolism changes during a fast, yes. It also returns to normal after the fast. That's the science.

 

Now, whether or not this damaging is all about context. Certain people will definitely experience negative effects from these hormonal changes:

- people will blood sugar regulation issues

- people with existing thyroid issues

- people with already low testosterone levels

- people with already low body-fat levels

- people with little muscle mass

 

The horror stories that get told about "starvation diets" aren't about the diet. They are about anorexia. People with already low levels of body fat shouldn't undertake long-term fasts or calorie restriction. Bad things happen. Duh. They experience negative effects even after they go back to normal eating. Because of the caloric restriction? No. Because they are underweight and malnourished and this has negative effects on their health.

 

In my case, I'm a generally healthy 28 year-old with no thyroid issues, no blood sugar issues, healthy testosterone levels, significant muscle mass levels, and greater than 20 percent body-fat. Will the PSMF effect my hormone levels? Yes. I expect to lose a little bit of muscle mass and a lot of fat as a result. After my body-fat levels have decreased (but while they are still within a healthy range), I will resume maintenance eating, my hormone levels will return to normal, and everything will be fine. 

post #24293 of 49510
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Well it's your body, you can diet however you want. I don't really see why you're in such a rush to lose fat at a rate which will lose you more muscle than usual.
post #24294 of 49510
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Originally Posted by Eason View Post

Well it's your body, you can diet however you want. I don't really see why you're in such a rush to lose fat at a rate which will lose you more muscle than usual.

 

I'm eating like 200+ grams of protein a day and continuing to lift. I'm not foreseeing muscle loss.

post #24295 of 49510
I'm losing weight (and bf) since squatting x3 a week.

Today weighted in @ 71kg. Am I right in increasing protein intake to maintain muscle. My lower body has grown but upper seems to have shrunk.

Lifts are not affected though.
post #24296 of 49510
take this with a grain of salt -

if you are losing weight and BF then your lower body probably just looks bigger rather than growing bigger or you have a sweet pump going on which isnt unreasonable given you are squatting every other day (im guessing). your upper body probably seems to be shrinking because you're losing weight and doing proportionately more leg work (im guessing).

nothing wrong with more protein, though - i would probably wait until strength gains stall before upping it. how much are you taking in right now? do you want to be losing weight / higher strength:bodyweight ratio?
post #24297 of 49510
1.1 - 1.2g per lb of bw now...would like to maintain weight and keep bf around 10, just increase strength.
post #24298 of 49510
On vacation in Florida. Trying to hit macros. I'm lifting at an awesome gym will some old buddies, so excited!
post #24299 of 49510
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Originally Posted by Flame View Post

1.1 - 1.2g per lb of bw now...would like to maintain weight and keep bf around 10, just increase strength.

keep on keepin' on then. i wouldn't worry about minor fluctuations in weight; once your gains stall and/or you continue to lose too much weight, adjust cals upwards to where the gains come back.

i wouldnt stress too much about protein, as long as it is adequate which it sounds like it is. i wish i was at your stage right now where i could just make minor adjustments either way to support either size and greater strength gains or get leaner while staying at a respectable BF%. soon..
post #24300 of 49510
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Originally Posted by jarude View Post

right in the feels, that sucks. more fish in the sea, aesthetic one.

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Originally Posted by Eason View Post

Sorry to hear that bro frown.gif

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Originally Posted by fuji View Post

I know that feel bro. Lift, laugh, manwhore yourself.

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Originally Posted by Coldsnap View Post

confused.gif sorry bro, focus dat pain shit in the gym. get larger and alpha all her future boyfriends forever

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Originally Posted by CalTex View Post

Sorry to hear that bro, but it's better than being played. I speak from experience.

Get big, get rich, burn her to the ground.

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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post

condolences, sparky. you'll find someone else soon enough.

Thanks bros. Dem feels are already clearing up as I started going through my fb and seeing how many of my lady acquaintances that would always hit on me but i disregarded were eligable.

Gonna rock 2013 so hard.
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