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Originally Posted by joshuadowen View Post

I understand the principals of CBL, but there has to be a cleaner way to do this. No one with an interest in nutrition ought to be eating oreas, cheese cake, pizza, and ice cream. There are lots of good starch source out there that will get you the carbs you need without shoveling crap down your mouth like this.

There's a podcast with Kiefer and Robb Wolfe that talks about how the dirty carbs are the best for CBL because of insuline spike lengths. Dirty carbs will spike you real fast then bring you back down, while stuff like yams and sweet potatoes will keep your insulin levels elevated much longer. So you sorta get the spike, prolong it for a few hours by constant feeding, then wake up in the morning with low insulin sensitivity. It's explained in the PDF but on a pretty advance level. I actually did due diligence and got blood work before starting this diet. I'm going to check it in 2-3 months and see if anything has changed. I'm going to start testing with cleaner foods too that will spike insulin fast, like a lot of gluten free items (fruity pebbles are gluten free). Also eating grassfed beef and mostly organic stuff.
post #22232 of 46405
I think you're over-doing it too ColdSnap. I had to read up on CBL but I was already familiar with carb loading. They say eat plenty of carbs and protein but other than the cottage cheese and the 1/2 lb ground beef, there isn't really much protein after your workout.

Personally I only insulin spike after a workout and will only have a meal that does it at most 1.5 hours after my workout. After that I eat clean. Is your goal to cut weight or bulk?
post #22233 of 46405
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Originally Posted by Coldsnap View Post


There's a podcast with Kiefer and Robb Wolfe that talks about how the dirty carbs are the best for CBL because of insuline spike lengths. Dirty carbs will spike you real fast then bring you back down, while stuff like yams and sweet potatoes will keep your insulin levels elevated much longer. So you sorta get the spike, prolong it for a few hours by constant feeding, then wake up in the morning with low insulin sensitivity. It's explained in the PDF but on a pretty advance level. I actually did due diligence and got blood work before starting this diet. I'm going to check it in 2-3 months and see if anything has changed. I'm going to start testing with cleaner foods too that will spike insulin fast, like a lot of gluten free items (fruity pebbles are gluten free). Also eating grassfed beef and mostly organic stuff.

 

I too think you are over-doing it, and would also point out a difference between with a food is "clean" or "dirty" and its glycemic index. I buy the idea that carb sources with a high GI are best for CBL, but that doesn't necessitate you eating junk food. 

 

Bananas, potatoes, pumpkin, squash, rice, yams, taro, plantains, beets, and carrots are all high GI carb sources that are relatively clean (no gluten, starchy rather than sugary).

 

On top of this, if you are looking for a big insulin spike with these late meals, you should also be avoiding fat later in the day. Things like ice cream and pizza, although full of carbs, have lower GIs because all of the fat slows down digestion of the carbs.

post #22234 of 46405
Gotcha, well I'm keeping a food log and hoping to get advice from professionals on the forum. I will see what they say. I'm not sure how I would eat 300-400g of clean food.
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Come at me 6-pack
post #22236 of 46405
Good lawd that looks incredible.
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Not a lot of time to play devil's advocate here, but I would consider whether or not the reaction here to CS's CBL is a bit kneejerk. "Overdoing it" is an awfully vague feeling being applied to a calculated diet (assuming he has calc'd those cals and carbs out, which I read that he did). I generally do a CBL although less extreme / more "reddit" inspired and it has modified what I view as "clean" which is another vague complaint in the past couple posts. For example, I would really consider homemade ice cream and cheesecake to be post workout clean foods, no problem, as I have controlled the preservative / chemical content. It is hard to get cleaner than cream, milk, eggs, sugar, and vanilla.
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Originally Posted by TKJTG View Post

Good lawd that looks incredible.

Chicken tikka masala, butter chicken, two buckets of rice, and some cheddar sun chips. You know, to keep it healthy.
post #22239 of 46405

you are looking awesome and you should enjoy your life.

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Originally Posted by loveymiller View Post

you are looking awesome and you should enjoy your life.

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post #22241 of 46405
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Originally Posted by Coldsnap View Post

Gotcha, well I'm keeping a food log and hoping to get advice from professionals on the forum. I will see what they say. I'm not sure how I would eat 300-400g of clean food.

My IF CBL days look like this:


Wake up 9-10 ish

Big cup of black cofee

12-14 class

14:30 pre workout meal (breaks the fast): 120 g canned tuna, 2 boiled eggs, big salad, 1 spoon olive oil and some vinegar, 100 g cottage cheese

16:00 workout

18:00 The Big Feast (split into two meals): 500g sweet potatoes, 350g brown rice, 500g chicken breast, 500g veggies, 150g greek yoghurt
Dessert: 120g oatmeal, 200 g berries, low fat milk, apple

21:00 Rest of the feast + dessert (casein protein powder, almonds, flax seeds)


Comes out to 4000 cal for the day - 550g carbs, 70g fat, 250g protein
Pre workout is approx 600 kcal - 35g carbs, 25g fat, 55g protein
post #22242 of 46405
that pre-workout meal sounds awful
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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post

that pre-workout meal sounds awful

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^Conceptionist during his workout
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Originally Posted by TKJTG View Post

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^Conceptionist during his workout

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post #22245 of 46405
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Originally Posted by conceptionist View Post

My IF CBL days look like this:
Wake up 9-10 ish
Big cup of black cofee
12-14 class
14:30 pre workout meal (breaks the fast): 120 g canned tuna, 2 boiled eggs, big salad, 1 spoon olive oil and some vinegar, 100 g cottage cheese
16:00 workout
18:00 The Big Feast (split into two meals): 500g sweet potatoes, 350g brown rice, 500g chicken breast, 500g veggies, 150g greek yoghurt
Dessert: 120g oatmeal, 200 g berries, low fat milk, apple
21:00 Rest of the feast + dessert (casein protein powder, almonds, flax seeds)
Comes out to 4000 cal for the day - 550g carbs, 70g fat, 250g protein
Pre workout is approx 600 kcal - 35g carbs, 25g fat, 55g protein

Gotcha. That is clean. I think too clean though. Kiefer really hammers it home that people who are changing the diet to have clean food in it. are not doing it right. The diet still works, just not as good, that's what he says. Which makes me think I'm going to do it dirty for a bit then once my body fat is at a low number, I will change it up for health / longevity.
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Originally Posted by db_ggmm View Post

Not a lot of time to play devil's advocate here, but I would consider whether or not the reaction here to CS's CBL is a bit kneejerk. "Overdoing it" is an awfully vague feeling being applied to a calculated diet (assuming he has calc'd those cals and carbs out, which I read that he did). I generally do a CBL although less extreme / more "reddit" inspired and it has modified what I view as "clean" which is another vague complaint in the past couple posts. For example, I would really consider homemade ice cream and cheesecake to be post workout clean foods, no problem, as I have controlled the preservative / chemical content. It is hard to get cleaner than cream, milk, eggs, sugar, and vanilla.

Yea good point. And what's wrong with pizza too? I know plenty of jacked dudes that eat pizza. I aim for a gram of protein per bodyfat on my backload days, i know someone said something about not getting enough protein.
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