Random health and exercise thoughts

spb_lady · Jul 14, 2010

never... never... NEVER!!! ride a bike after 3 glasses of wine

Saigon · Jul 14, 2010

Originally Posted by ConcernedParent

Any other tricep exercises I should do?

There's always this weird pulling feeling in my tri's when I do extensions and some funky **** goes on with my shoulders when I do skullcrushers with too much weight.

Perhaps weighted dips and pulldowns?

db_ggmm · Jul 14, 2010

Originally Posted by sonick

Did the Dave Tate method at the gym today with the arched back, tight lats and tucked in elbows... Trainer saw and I asked him about it, said it was bullshit....

What aspect of the Tate bench did the trainer believe is bullshit?

IIRC:

The Tate and Rippetoe benches are similar, although Tate pulls his feet back and goes on the tips of this toes, causing additional arch. This I don't do and Rippetoe argues against it as it is less stable than feet flat on the floor. So if the trainer was saying the tip toe foot placement was bs, I can see his point.

An arch, though, is necessary, for several reasons, including moderately close grip benching (for shoulder health), skinny guys (avoiding excessive bench depth), and stability (shoulder platform). In my limited experience, the average gym jackoff nearly always uses dumbbells and has never even encountered the concept of using an arch to build tightness and stability.

sonick · Jul 14, 2010

Originally Posted by db_ggmm

What aspect of the Tate bench did the trainer believe is bullshit?

IIRC:

The Tate and Rippetoe benches are similar, although Tate pulls his feet back and goes on the tips of this toes, causing additional arch. This I don't do and Rippetoe argues against it as it is less stable than feet flat on the floor. So if the trainer was saying the tip toe foot placement was bs, I can see his point.

An arch, though, is necessary, for several reasons, including moderately close grip benching (for shoulder health), skinny guys (avoiding excessive bench depth), and stability (shoulder platform). In my limited experience, the average gym jackoff nearly always uses dumbbells and has never even encountered the concept of using an arch to build tightness and stability.

Nope, the back arch, tight back and elbow angle in relation to the torso were the things he objected to.

I didn't do the tip-toe that Tate recommends when I was trying it.

milosz · Jul 14, 2010

Originally Posted by sonick

Did the Dave Tate method at the gym today with the arched back, tight lats and tucked in elbows... Trainer saw and I asked him about it, said it was bullshit....

Though I did definitely feel more strength, less shoulder strain, fuller range of motion and targeted the pecs much better.

The vast majority of trainers at your average gym are dumber than a box of rocks. Ignore them at will unless you know them and their qualifications well.

db_ggmm · Jul 14, 2010

Originally Posted by sonick

Nope, the back arch, tight back and elbow angle in relation to the torso were the things he objected to.

Funny. Staying tight is a basic weight lifting fundamental. The arch tightens you from foot to shoulder.

sonick · Jul 14, 2010

Originally Posted by db_ggmm

Funny. Staying tight is a basic weight lifting fundamental. The arch tightens you from foot to shoulder.

Well tight as in flexing/squeezing the shoulder blades together, that is recommended in the Tate method.

Rikkar501 · Jul 14, 2010

Originally Posted by db_ggmm

What aspect of the Tate bench did the trainer believe is bullshit? IIRC: The Tate and Rippetoe benches are similar, although Tate pulls his feet back and goes on the tips of this toes, causing additional arch. This I don't do and Rippetoe argues against it as it is less stable than feet flat on the floor. So if the trainer was saying the tip toe foot placement was bs, I can see his point. An arch, though, is necessary, for several reasons, including moderately close grip benching (for shoulder health), skinny guys (avoiding excessive bench depth), and stability (shoulder platform). In my limited experience, the average gym jackoff nearly always uses dumbbells and has never even encountered the concept of using an arch to build tightness and stability.
I believe Tate's reasoning is that when you are on your toes you actively try to push your heels down into the ground, which transfers energy into your press. The leverage isn't really optimal when your feet are flat on the ground. Sonick: Man, just more evidence that trainer doesn't know dick about pressing! I suggest disregarding most of what he says in the future.

A Y · Jul 15, 2010

Split my shorts while power-cleaning tonight, which was kind of lucky because it was my last exercise, but only my first set. It was awkward and comical to put the bar and weights back while not turning my back on people because there are mirrors all around.

Hopefully not too many people were mooned because at first I thought the ripping sound was just cloth moving around, and I had to walk back from the gym, as well as go food shopping afterwards.

--Andre

Berticus · Jul 15, 2010

Originally Posted by sonick

Well tight as in flexing/squeezing the shoulder blades together, that is recommended in the Tate method.

That's "Rippetoe's" method too. I'm pretty sure Rippetoe, Tate, Simmons, and all the big coaches would say retract scapula.

bbaquiran · Jul 16, 2010

Originally Posted by A Y

Split my shorts while power-cleaning tonight

I've split my shorts twice while squatting. Not just the seams coming apart but big rips in the fabric exposing my backside. Hasn't happened yet with a power clean or any other movement. I could imagine it happening during a full squat clean though.

CunningSmeagol · Jul 16, 2010

Originally Posted by A Y

Split my shorts while power-cleaning tonight, which was kind of lucky because it was my last exercise, but only my first set. It was awkward and comical to put the bar and weights back while not turning my back on people because there are mirrors all around.

Hopefully not too many people were mooned because at first I thought the ripping sound was just cloth moving around, and I had to walk back from the gym, as well as go food shopping afterwards.

--Andre

Originally Posted by Berticus

That's "Rippetoe's" method too.

hastur · Jul 16, 2010

Originally Posted by db_ggmm

What aspect of the Tate bench did the trainer believe is bullshit?

IIRC:

The Tate and Rippetoe benches are similar, although Tate pulls his feet back and goes on the tips of this toes, causing additional arch. This I don't do and Rippetoe argues against it as it is less stable than feet flat on the floor. So if the trainer was saying the tip toe foot placement was bs, I can see his point.

An arch, though, is necessary, for several reasons, including moderately close grip benching (for shoulder health), skinny guys (avoiding excessive bench depth), and stability (shoulder platform). In my limited experience, the average gym jackoff nearly always uses dumbbells and has never even encountered the concept of using an arch to build tightness and stability.

i don't really think stability on your toes is really a factor until you're really repping out something ridiculous like a 2x bw bench or something

A Y · Jul 16, 2010

Originally Posted by bbaquiran

I've split my shorts twice while squatting. Not just the seams coming apart but big rips in the fabric exposing my backside. Hasn't happened yet with a power clean or any other movement. I could imagine it happening during a full squat clean though.

It wasn't very exciting: it happened during the beginning portion that's the deadlift position. I imagine if I had deadlifted that day, it would have happened, too, and if not, probably the next squat session.

--Andre

Mauby · Jul 16, 2010

Any tips on posture? I have a tendency to slouch. Any of you ex-slouchers do any particular exercise(s) that helped with that? I mean, short of joining the military.

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