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FML why cant i stop myself from getting on the scales every day sometimes. Was up 2lb in first week, got on this morning (same conditions) and the 2lb has gone, after eating an extra few hundred calories last night to make sure. I know most people say this is due to water weight etc, but normally on a bulk i just notice an upward trend all the time as if anything water weight is increasing from all the carbs. Must eat more. Yes, i always take a shit before weighing. This is the trouble with a "lean" bulk, i get paranoid that im not actually gaining anything.
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Originally Posted by jarude View Post

TK was able to make a well-reasoned reply, yet you came out with butthurt derision while responding to the same post. come now, no need to post face-saving one liners

It's very simple, son. I don't waste time picking apart massive rambling posts which are 90% junk analogies and slippery slopes. TK and Josh have both addressed your issues politely, but I have no interest in babying your bad argumentation.
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My arms have stretched out and I can low-bar squat now. Not sure which I prefer, but I'll stick to low-bar because my hero Rip advocates it. I've been increasing my lifts every workout. Now that I can low-bar, I can probably be more aggressive with the increases.

 

Squat: 20x5x2, 25x5, 27.5x5, 30x5x3
Bench press: 20x5x2, 25x5, 30x5x3
Deadlift: 35x5x1, 40x5, 45x5

Do you guys start your DL warm up at 135 pounds? My work set today was 45 kg (100 lb). Because I'm using smaller plates the bar sits too close to the ground. I don't seem to have a problem reaching down though while keeping my back tight. Hopefully I'll be able to start at 135 lb soon.
 

Next week I learn the power clean. Not sure how that's going to go in this small gym.

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Originally Posted by maplefuturist View Post

My arms have stretched out and I can low-bar squat now. Not sure which I prefer, but I'll stick to low-bar because my hero Rip advocates it. I've been increasing my lifts every workout. Now that I can low-bar, I can probably be more aggressive with the increases.

 

Squat: 20x5x2, 25x5, 27.5x5, 30x5x3
Bench press: 20x5x2, 25x5, 30x5x3
Deadlift: 35x5x1, 40x5, 45x5

Do you guys start your DL warm up at 135 pounds? My work set today was 45 kg (100 lb). Because I'm using smaller plates the bar sits too close to the ground. I don't seem to have a problem reaching down though while keeping my back tight. Hopefully I'll be able to start at 135 lb soon.
 

Next week I learn the power clean. Not sure how that's going to go in this small gym.

 

Is the first number in all of those weight in KG? 

 

Where you start your warm-up totally depends on what you are working up to. I wouldn't worry about it too much. I also wouldn't worry about low-bar v. high-bar squatting at this point. Given your current numbers, it looks like you are pretty new to lifting. The most important thing for you to do is focus on practicing good technique and building a strength base. Don't overthink it. Lift regularly, eat well, get enough sleep. Those three things are all you need to think about for at least the next six months.  

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Originally Posted by db_ggmm View Post

It's very simple, son. I don't waste time picking apart massive rambling posts which are 90% junk analogies and slippery slopes. TK and Josh have both addressed your issues politely, but I have no interest in babying your bad argumentation.
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butthurt derision
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Originally Posted by jarude View Post

face-saving one liners

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here, let me re-post the part you can't deal with, since evidently its hitting a nerve and causing your ego to try and assert itself:
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like i said, there's no issue if you're cognizant of the fact that you're selling yourself short on your progress by training within arbitrary constraints. if its your goal to train within said constraints and willfully sacrifice greater progress simply because you want to limit the tools you have at your disposal, then so be it. this isnt even me being sarcastic, either... seriously dude, whatever floats your boat. if your goals involve training in a manner where you aren't going to make maximal progress, that's fine - just make sure that you're okay with it. that was my point, something i fear you missed.
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Is the first number in all of those weight in KG? 


Yes, KG. smile.gif

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Yeah, so you are pretty new to lifting then?

 

It's important to keep in mind that a lot of what we talk about on this thread - and a lot of the info out there generally - are details for experienced lifters. One mistake a lot of people make early on is to focus too much on these details. It's not that these things don't matter, but most of them focus on getting that last 10 percent, and presuppose that you are already doing most things right. 

 

Don't get too bogged down in the details at this stage of your lifting career. Lift heavy and with good technique, eat meat, sleep, repeat. 

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Originally Posted by stinger70 View Post

FML why cant i stop myself from getting on the scales every day sometimes. Was up 2lb in first week, got on this morning (same conditions) and the 2lb has gone, after eating an extra few hundred calories last night to make sure. I know most people say this is due to water weight etc, but normally on a bulk i just notice an upward trend all the time as if anything water weight is increasing from all the carbs. Must eat more. Yes, i always take a shit before weighing. This is the trouble with a "lean" bulk, i get paranoid that im not actually gaining anything.


I reckon you should do what I did. Bulk really hard and get fat and put a tonne of weight on your lifts then cut. Would get you out of your slump.
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Originally Posted by stinger70 View Post

FML why cant i stop myself from getting on the scales every day sometimes. Was up 2lb in first week, got on this morning (same conditions) and the 2lb has gone, after eating an extra few hundred calories last night to make sure. I know most people say this is due to water weight etc, but normally on a bulk i just notice an upward trend all the time as if anything water weight is increasing from all the carbs. Must eat more. Yes, i always take a shit before weighing. This is the trouble with a "lean" bulk, i get paranoid that im not actually gaining anything.

 

What do you weigh now? Body fat? How much are you trying to put on? What have you been eating?

 

Generally, day-to-day calorie intake doesn't mean much relative to weekly or monthly averages. The body is pretty good at compensating for a couple of days overeating. Eating an extra few hundred calories the day before a weigh-in isn't going to do much.

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Originally Posted by joshuadowen View Post

Yeah, so you are pretty new to lifting then?

 

It's important to keep in mind that a lot of what we talk about on this thread - and a lot of the info out there generally - are details for experienced lifters. One mistake a lot of people make early on is to focus too much on these details. It's not that these things don't matter, but most of them focus on getting that last 10 percent, and presuppose that you are already doing most things right. 

 

Don't get too bogged down in the details at this stage of your lifting career. Lift heavy and with good technique, eat meat, sleep, repeat. 


Week 4 now. First few weeks was all about technique. Luckily I work out at the same time as this Leangains chick. She's a bit nuts, but OK for form check. I wanted to low-bar because I just wanted to go by the book. Like you said, there's so much information out there it can be overwhelming, so I try to keep it simple. I'm eating 2700 kcal a day with a ratio around 30/40/30. My starting bodyweight was only 123 lb, so ~200g protein seems fine. I'm sore, but not sore enough that it interferes with my progress. I'll probably need to up it to at least 3000 in the coming weeks.

 

All is good. I like this.

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Originally Posted by maplefuturist View Post


Week 4 now. First few weeks was all about technique. Luckily I work out at the same time as this Leangains chick. She's a bit nuts, but OK for form check. I wanted to low-bar because I just wanted to go by the book. Like you said, there's so much information out there it can be overwhelming, so I try to keep it simple. I'm eating 2700 kcal a day with a ratio around 30/40/30. My starting bodyweight was only 123 lb, so ~200g protein seems fine. I'm sore, but not sore enough that it interferes with my progress. I'll probably need to up it to at least 3000 in the coming weeks.

 

All is good. I like this.

 

That's awesome. Good on you for getting started. Just remember: slow and steady here. Don't rush. These things take time.

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Originally Posted by fuji View Post

I understand where your coming from with the belt, but not the oly shoes or knee sleeves. The olympic shoe is just a better shoe to squat in for my stance, I'm not correcting a weakness with it, it's just a better shoe to squat in. The same way converse are better then running shoes, im not trying to counter a muscle imbalance by wearing them, they just make the movement better. You think a non competitive olympic lifter shouldn't wear oly shoes? Theres an inherent risk of injuring your knees when your squatting, you're putting them through flexion with a few hundred pounds on them, doesn't matter how healthy they are you are risking injuring them when you squat. Knee sleeves keep my knees warm, I can't squat just as much with them on as I can off because they offer no support, but keep your knees warm makes the movement safer. My core is not holding me back from squatting more, I could get my abs strong as fuck and putting a belt on is still gonna put weight on my squat. By not wearing one im limiting how much stress I can put on my legs. I don't see how im holding back my performance by wearing one. I wear straps when I do kroc rows with really heavy dumbbells, which i'd never be able to hold for 20 reps. Should I limit how much stress I can put on my upper back but dropping the weight and not using them?

Olympic shoes can hide hip mobility issues which most people have - especially internet warriors that sit at desks all day with their hip flexors in a shortened position.  So yes olympic shoes are better shoes to squat in because of the more stable platform - but they can often hide hip mobility issues which are ignored because the shoes make it easier to get to depth.  So at times, squatting without them just to check whether or not you have hip mobility issues or impingement can be beneficial.

 

I generally agree with what you're saying or at least the idea of it but just wanted to add that tid bit in that I find a lot of new crossfitters/oly lifters are seeming to ignore.

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Originally Posted by stinger70 View Post

FML why cant i stop myself from getting on the scales every day sometimes. Was up 2lb in first week, got on this morning (same conditions) and the 2lb has gone, after eating an extra few hundred calories last night to make sure. I know most people say this is due to water weight etc, but normally on a bulk i just notice an upward trend all the time as if anything water weight is increasing from all the carbs. Must eat more. Yes, i always take a shit before weighing. This is the trouble with a "lean" bulk, i get paranoid that im not actually gaining anything.

Take a picture each week.  Over the weeks you'll be able to see the changes much more so than just the scale weight.  If you can see the changes and your strength is going up then you're going in the right direction.  I use pictures with all my clients and another positive benefit is that it's cool to see how much you've changed after 12 weeks - it's hard to see that when you're just looking in the mirror every day.

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Originally Posted by stinger70 View Post

FML why cant i stop myself from getting on the scales every day sometimes. Was up 2lb in first week, got on this morning (same conditions) and the 2lb has gone, after eating an extra few hundred calories last night to make sure. I know most people say this is due to water weight etc, but normally on a bulk i just notice an upward trend all the time as if anything water weight is increasing from all the carbs. Must eat more. Yes, i always take a shit before weighing. This is the trouble with a "lean" bulk, i get paranoid that im not actually gaining anything.

What kind of surplus are you running?
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Originally Posted by fuji View Post

I reckon you should do what I did. Bulk really hard and get fat and put a tonne of weight on your lifts then cut. Would get you out of your slump.


Orrrrr you can do IF and become a shredded Greek God and gain a ton of muscle with hardly any fat. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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