Originally Posted by speedy4500
Meh. Give me a year and I could develop gear that would let me "bench" that much.
Don't knock it til you've done both a raw and geared meet.
No sane person is saying it's the same. The dynamics of both are completely different of course. People that actually compete both raw and geared will tell you straight up that geared lifting is much harder, more taxing and there's MUCH more technique involved.
It's kind of like the comparison between rugby (raw) and football (geared). Protective equipment was designed to reduce the number of injuries to players but also to make for a more exciting game via harder hits. This is not to say that rugby tackles are not hard (or hurt) because they do. But if you look at the speed and sheer force at which the tackles/hits are delivered, the football player got that hands down - and that's because of the protective gear they've got on.
Another comparison is how all forms of modern day fighting/martial arts/boxing/etc evolved from guys just pounding it out on the streets. Measures such as helmets, gloves, technical rules (such as in the ufc, you cannot kick/knee a downed opponent), and other gear, were implements to prolong an athlete's career and so more exciting and longer fighters could be fought.
All I'm trying to say is, no smart person says a 500 raw bench = 500 geared bench, or even 400 raw = 600 geared. There's not strict formula for that. There shouldn't even be a direct comparison made since they're very different.
Also, you realize there are specifications that the gear (like all sports) have to pass right?
Use aapf-approved gear. One year? You wouldn't be putting up anywhere near 675. No one here would be.