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post #106 of 183
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Originally Posted by why View Post
Outside of severe metabolic disorders (which are diagnosed and treated pathologically), most people don't have a variance of more than +/- 10% of BMR.
Interesting. What studies found this? Actually, I'm curious (not disagreeing, but not yet agreeing) about where you get the support for most of your assertions, i.e. one is obese because one grossly overeats
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Originally Posted by why View Post
Yeah, you just happened to be chosen to get grossly obese. I mean, you had to grossly overeat
or even that being overweight and maintaining a healthy lifestyle are incongruous
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It's obviously easier to maintain excuses and total bullshit than a healthy lifestyle
post #107 of 183
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Originally Posted by Runningman411 View Post
Why are you skinny fucks so critical of fat people? Just so you know, I've never been big so I'm not particularly sensitive to their struggles. However, I just see it as another issue. Frankly, I think it's mostly genetics. However, some people certainly don't help the genetic deficiency by eating poorly.

Be glad that you have decent genetics and that moderate exercise combined with a decent diet keeps you thin. Hell, I'm sure some of you have never stepped into a gym and are probably thin. I was that way until just a couple of years ago. Hell, even today, I eat 2500-3000 calories a day, with a 4-5000 calorie day every now and then and haven't gained a pound in two years. I'm 35, by the way. In fact, I lost about 5 lbs because of weightlifting.

I know, and am thankful, that I don't have to do much. This thread is just one step above good looking people looking down on ugly people. Some of you sound like a bunch of middle school girls.

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Originally Posted by BB1 View Post
I think Reggs has the basic right idea about how easy it can be to loose weight by making a few small changes. Stop making excuses! I'm 40 and am 5'10" 140 lbs, which is about the same as what I weighed at 25. To loose weight and keep it off, I didn't even bother to diet nor do I have an exercise regimen. All you need to do is rethink what you eat...

1. Replace all drinks with water
2. Eat less meat and more vegetables
3. Stop eating fast food entirely
4. Avoid processed foods and eat more raw ingredients

The above is not a "diet" since that would imply a temporary program. It is a permanent attitude adjustment centered around eating only good quality food as opposed to the junk that passes as food today. After a while you will actually learn to like it better-- I now find fast food revolting, that soda pop tastes like poison, and that raw green beans are the best snack in the world!

I have relatives and friends my age that are constantly trying to loose weight and often claiming they're on a diet. They keep telling me how hard it is to do. Yet when they come over to my house the first thing they ask is, "do you have any soda pop?" Or at a restaurant when presented with a choice of fries or rice, they will always choose the french fries. They will also be the ones to suggest going to some greasy chain restaurant rather than a local independent one that has more healthy food.

Until their attitude about food changes, they will likely always be battling their weight. You will know you have right attitude once you start to feel disgusted by bad quality food and find delight in healthy food.

As a newcomer to this forum I am amazing by the condescending and quite frankly awful attitude to overweight people. Am I to presume that 99.9% of posters on styleforum are perfect specimen's without an ounce of fat on them (including visceral fat whilst we're at it).

Whilst I don't have much sympathy for people (and it is usually females) who say "Oh I've tried every diet there is and nothing works", I'm just saying to myself 'have you tried the one where you don't put as much food in your mouth?.
Over here in the UK, we are constantlybeing told that more and more children are obese by the time they hit 11 and this trend continues until teenage years. Health groups put pressure on the government to keep getting schools to promote healthy meals but how do you stop children from just going over the road to the greasy take away and having whatever they want? Answer is, they can't.

Look, someone people like eating and whereas I subscribe to the theory that being fat makes you feel unhappy, you can't just tar everyone with the same brush (this is directed to the OP) as some people do have medical issues which make it hard for them to lose weight. How about someone who has given up smoking but replaced the cigarettes with food? Which is the lesser of those two evils?

I'm talking as someone whose BMI is currently 26.1 and twelve months ago was over 33. Yes I realise that I still have weight to lose but if you passed me the street OP and made an instant judgement on me, well, what the fuck do you know about my past history?
post #108 of 183
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Originally Posted by why View Post
No, I'm making judgments about people who lie to themselves and convince themselves they have a fucking clue when they clearly don't.

My basis 'in fact' isn't particular to you or whatever nonsensical reasoning you attribute to your failures. It's human physiology and science. You have yourself convinced that metabolic differences account for massive variances in weight, and this is not only completely unfounded but entirely false. Outside of severe metabolic disorders (which are diagnosed and treated pathologically), most people don't have a variance of more than +/- 10% of BMR. That 10% does not account for carrying an extra 150lbs. around. Apparently, you think it does.

no, I have acknowledged my own faults and mistakes. for most of this thread, and most of the other, similar threads, we are talking about "chubby" people. I have been saying that most of the people here who post "oh, it is easy to loose weight, just make a few minor changes" have no idea what they are talking about.

anyway, remember this conversation. in 15-20 years when you hate yourself because of the love handles you have put on, think back fondly of me.
post #109 of 183
^ It's very easy to get off the well-beaten track. I think most posters here are too young, or too inexperienced in the matters of life, to speak with consideration.
post #110 of 183
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Originally Posted by BB1 View Post
1. Replace all drinks with water
2. Eat less meat and more vegetables
3. Stop eating fast food entirely
4. Avoid processed foods and eat more raw ingredients

The above is not a "diet" since that would imply a temporary program. It is a permanent attitude adjustment centered around eating only good quality food as opposed to the junk that passes as food today. After a while you will actually learn to like it better-- I now find fast food revolting, that soda pop tastes like poison, and that raw green beans are the best snack in the world!

I have relatives and friends my age that are constantly trying to loose weight and often claiming they're on a diet. They keep telling me how hard it is to do. Yet when they come over to my house the first thing they ask is, "do you have any soda pop?" Or at a restaurant when presented with a choice of fries or rice, they will always choose the french fries. They will also be the ones to suggest going to some greasy chain restaurant rather than a local independent one that has more healthy food.

God, I can't stop laughing over this poast. I would rather die that replace all drinks with water. Give up wine, Scotch, and the multitude of tasty things I drink? Never.

I also do not eat fast food. It holds no allure for me either. How about foie gras though? The ultimate in luxury foods. I'm sure that's not on your menu. No, I won't get into the many reasons people put weight on (or take it off either, be it a planned weight loss or unplanned of becoming a bone rack (140 at 5'10"? Yikes)).

No one gets out of this alive. Enjoy some food. Doesn't mean you have to be grossly overweight, but doesn't mean you have to be a hockey stick with hair either.
post #111 of 183
Because I appreciate and like to collect quality garments.
post #112 of 183
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Originally Posted by MsMcGillicuddy View Post
Interesting. What studies found this? Actually, I'm curious (not disagreeing, but not yet agreeing) about where you get the support for most of your assertions, i.e.

http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/abstract/32/6/962
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...act/263/4/E730
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8457536
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v.../1602629a.html

Variance outside that 20% range (form the highest to lowest) is usually indicative of some type of thyroid disorder. There may be some outliers, but outside of diet-induced thyroid issues (which will be apparent pretty much only on thin people) most people have pretty normal thyroid levels. One person might have a 400-calorie-difference MR per day than a friend, but this is not some insurmountable goal nor will it lead to obesity.


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one is obese because one grossly overeats

Because the body maintains homestasis. It's inherently true, anyway, since over and undereating are determined by necessary caloric requirements to maintain homeostasis. Fat people have to work to stay fat, since lipolytic hormone levels increase as fat and mass increase. A person who eats five large pizzas per day will lose weight by only eating four. It's a negative feedback loop.


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or even that being overweight and maintaining a healthy lifestyle are incongruous

I said 'obese'.
post #113 of 183
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
anyway, remember this conversation. in 15-20 years when you hate yourself because of the love handles you have put on, think back fondly of me.

You keep using this like it's some trump card. Don't make it personal, because you're asking me to be really fucking cruel.
post #114 of 183
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Originally Posted by why View Post
You keep using this like it's some trump card. Don't make it personal, because you're asking me to be really fucking cruel.

Like anyone has to ask you to be cruel.

I agree though, staying fat is actually hard work. Then again, so is being a semi-ripped 200# at 5'11" and cycling 300 miles a week and lifting weights. I think a very good argument could be made that both are equally unnatural.
post #115 of 183
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
Like anyone has to ask you to be cruel.

I agree though, staying fat is actually hard work. Then again, so is being a semi-ripped 200# at 5'11" and cycling 300 miles a week and lifting weights. I think a very good argument could be made that both are equally unnatural.

Both states involve choices. The idea that its some kind of gargantuan effort not to be a corpulent blubber ball in your 40's is just silly though. No, you cant just sit there and graze on pizza and beer all day but just a little bit of self control is all thats needed.

Why is correct. Variation in metabolism is way overblown and is useful more as an excuse than a rational explanation for porkiness.

Way too many trundleasaurs in america. The metabolism bullshit just dovetails with our national and pathetic sense of victimhood. "it it werent for my "illness" I wouldnt be such a fatass". Yeah, right.
post #116 of 183
It is amazing that in this day in age, we have educated men that are as ignorant as the OP not to mention the other SF posters that agree with him. I realize that the only reason for this thread is to get a rise out of all the posters, but you have to stand back and say what demented fuck would get a hard-on by raising the ire of fellow members. All I can say to you dude, is get a life.
post #117 of 183
Thread Starter 
I don't think it's heartless to essentially say, 'Work on getting your body healthy before worrying about what you wear'. Heartless would be encouraging people to remain unhealthy and buy clothes that will rarely, if ever look quite right on their misshapen, bloated frames until they get to a proper weight.
post #118 of 183
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Originally Posted by BB1 View Post
1. Replace all drinks with water
2. Eat less meat and more vegetables
3. Stop eating fast food entirely
4. Avoid processed foods and eat more raw ingredients

I do not like the sound of this life.
post #119 of 183
So the summary is that you can either live a long terrible life or a short enjoyable one.
post #120 of 183
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Originally Posted by BB1 View Post

1. Replace all drinks with water
2. Eat less meat and more vegetables
3. Stop eating fast food entirely
4. Avoid processed foods and eat more raw ingredients

I would essentially change number one to 'replace soda drinks with water' and only have fast food once or twice a fortnight.

As it is recommended you should be losing around 2 to 3lbs per week, this can easily be achieved.

There are some people out there who, because of various illnesses, have to take steroids and different medication which restricts weight loss and for those people yes, it is hard. However, there are many people out there who take the easy option of saying "I have a slow metabolism" or "It's in the genes of my family, my mother couldn't lose weight" etc..
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