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post #11611 of 14462
I think the real solution here is to make 10 people switch their orders over to #2.
post #11612 of 14462
Just a couple comments:

1) As a consumer with a limited amount of money to spend, the timing of the MTO wasn't ideal. The last newsletter had some great stuff in it: the hoodie, the beanies. That forces me to pick where I spend my money. In other words, the MTO flannels are competing with everything else. Separating the flannels in a different newsletter and not timing them so closely with the other stuff might've helped.

2) Having to pay 100% up-front means that I'm paying money today that I won't see as a product for a while. In contrast, all the other stuff in the newsletter is available for immediate purchase and use. Again, at the current price points, committing 100% up-front is a significant opportunity cost. I have no idea of what the economics of this are, so fuck me, but, in contrast, the NMWA pre-order for Inis Meain was 50% up-front and 50% on delivery. I realize there's risk in that, but there's, perhaps, more opportunity: $100 today and $100 later is probably more acceptable to a larger audience than $200 today.

3) During the poll, I voted for #2 and #6, but, in the end, for the reasons above, I bought only #2.

4) If you decide to charge for MTO polls, I'd pay, but $30 is a bit steep. I bet $10 would accomplish the same result and be much more acceptable.

I fucking love the fabris that you picked out Mauro. I really hope my pre-order for #2 goes through.
post #11613 of 14462
When the shirts are made, most of you will just regret not getting them. foo.gif
post #11614 of 14462
purchased 5, hoping that'll be made.
post #11615 of 14462
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Originally Posted by msg View Post

Just a couple comments:

1) As a consumer with a limited amount of money to spend, the timing of the MTO wasn't ideal. The last newsletter had some great stuff in it: the hoodie, the beanies. That forces me to pick where I spend my money. In other words, the MTO flannels are competing with everything else. Separating the flannels in a different newsletter and not timing them so closely with the other stuff might've helped.

2) Having to pay 100% up-front means that I'm paying money today that I won't see as a product for a while. In contrast, all the other stuff in the newsletter is available for immediate purchase and use. Again, at the current price points, committing 100% up-front is a significant opportunity cost. I have no idea of what the economics of this are, so fuck me, but, in contrast, the NMWA pre-order for Inis Meain was 50% up-front and 50% on delivery. I realize there's risk in that, but there's, perhaps, more opportunity: $100 today and $100 later is probably more acceptable to a larger audience than $200 today.

3) During the poll, I voted for #2 and #6, but, in the end, for the reasons above, I bought only #2.

4) If you decide to charge for MTO polls, I'd pay, but $30 is a bit steep. I bet $10 would accomplish the same result and be much more acceptable.

I fucking love the fabris that you picked out Mauro. I really hope my pre-order for #2 goes through.






I will make the shirts, not matter what. I think no matter what option for the pre-order I do, people will not be happy. How can you being willing to put up %50 now and %50 later and then think $30.00 is to steep for a MTO deposit?
I am curious? I figure this, $10.00 is a drink at the bar. So someone will be more inclined to vote for $10.00 and not follow through. The odds are a lot less likely they will do that with $30.00 and $30.00 is better than 50% and the money goes toward your final product. We also have to weigh the pros and cons. I still have to purchase fabric up front. An expensive fabric isn't worth a $10.00 vote. Once, I buy the fabric it's mine. I am going to make something with it. For this run, I will have left over fabric. I will more than likely end up making more shirts and trying to sell them because I have a business to run. Now, it can't be true reward exclusive because the extra shirts will go up on the web.
I am not complaining but I am just being more honest than most. I asked people not to vote if they weren't going to buy and they did, my fault , I should have known better. All the shirts are going to be made, a few people might be refunded. Those are the breaks.

I am do not do the volume the other affiliates on this thread do and I work with slimmer margins because of the rewards program. If I did the volume of epaulet , Ledbury, or 3sixteen this would not be an issue. I will get there on day. My business has really really picked up. However, I don't plan on using crappy fabrics to get to where I need to be, faster. The fabric costs are what they are, labor costs are what they are, my bills are what they are. I think everyone can understand that. I made a promise to quality and I will see it through.


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Originally Posted by ajg esp View Post

I assume these numbers are due to ordering minimum size rolls of the fabric.  Would there be any discount to you by ordering another roll?  You might get more takers at lower price points.

Volume discount? I wish. I would have to buy at least 1,000 yards to get a price break. Again, for transparency the wool was $32.00 per yard. It takes 2.3 to 2.5 yards to create one shirt depending on width of the fabric which they are all narrow goods frown.gif This is why quality wool costs so much) I also suggested reading into Pendleton. I receive wool from them that was $80.00 per yard.
Edited by Mauro - 12/13/13 at 3:54am
post #11616 of 14462
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Originally Posted by Mauro View Post


Volume discount? I wish. I would have to buy at least 1,000 yards to get a price break. Again, for transparency the wool was $32.00 per yard. It takes 2.3 to 2.5 yards to create one shirt depending on width of the fabric which they are all narrow goods frown.gif This is why quality wool costs so much) I also suggested reading into Pendleton. I receive wool from them that was $80.00 per yard.

crazy.gif Yeesh, I hope you're at least breaking even on these. That, combined with all of the other production and shipping costs, must be pretty brutal.

I'm all in favor of some sort of deposit for voting. I like the idea of paying some up front and some when they're ready to ship, but based on how much they cost to make it sounds like that wouldn't be feasible.
post #11617 of 14462
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Originally Posted by notwithit View Post

crazy.gif Yeesh, I hope you're at least breaking even on these. That, combined with all of the other production and shipping costs, must be pretty brutal.

I'm all in favor of some sort of deposit for voting. I like the idea of paying some up front and some when they're ready to ship, but based on how much they cost to make it sounds like that wouldn't be feasible.

When we start looking at expensive fabrics we will run into problems for awhile. My customer base is changing. I have more guys buying bigger ticket items and I am growing at a nice slow pace. The Wolf vs Goat team still has a lot to do on the website and blog. This additions and changes will help boost growth as well.
I do appreciate everyone's support.

Here is the deal if anyone is still on the fence.

Fabric #1 I need one order and then it will be closed

Fabric #2 Closed. I have met the minimum but might have to refund one person.

Fabric #5 I have 5 openings left

Fabric #6 Closed. I might be able to make one more shirt but I am not sure. I will not take anymore orders on this fabric.

Best,

Mauro
post #11618 of 14462
you could do a NONREFUNDABLE and NONTRANSFERABLE deposit for these. lots of retailers do this including SF's mto for vibergs and the many alden retailers.

spreading out the timing of the mto and the normal drops would help so agreed with msg
post #11619 of 14462
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Originally Posted by randomkoreandude View Post

you could do a NONREFUNDABLE and NONTRANSFERABLE deposit for these. lots of retailers do this including SF's mto for vibergs and the many alden retailers.

spreading out the timing of the mto and the normal drops would help so agreed with msg

draft up a terms and conditions document.
post #11620 of 14462
mauro cant afford my billable rate

but i do take free clothing
post #11621 of 14462

With the non-refundable $30 vote-deposit, if the shirt didn't end up getting made, we wouldn't get that money back? Or would we? I could see that being a barrier.

 

Also, shoot, I didn't realize Pendleton wool was $80 a yard. I'm from Oregon, so Pendleton is such a big deal out there, would love to get some WvG Pendleton products, but I'll have to save up...

post #11622 of 14462
again it would not be unprecedented to do a non-refundable deposit of 1/3 to 1/2 of the price of the product. any of the larger ticketed items require that from leffot, context clothing, stephan schneider preorder, sf's mto program with viberg, etc.

you could relax it a little to be transferable like for store credit for another item but really you cant have a refund on preorders since the retailer/mauro would be stuck footing the bill on an item that he wouldnt normally make or carry in the first place. these are limited items and if you want it, you gotta pay for it. it might sound harsh but thats just good business sense
post #11623 of 14462
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Originally Posted by randomkoreandude View Post

again it would not be unprecedented to do a non-refundable deposit of 1/3 to 1/2 of the price of the product. any of the larger ticketed items require that from leffot, context clothing, stephan schneider preorder, sf's mto program with viberg, etc.

you could relax it a little to be transferable like for store credit for another item but really you cant have a refund on preorders since the retailer/mauro would be stuck footing the bill on an item that he wouldnt normally make or carry in the first place. these are limited items and if you want it, you gotta pay for it. it might sound harsh but thats just good business sense

But if the item didn't get enough orders to make it to production, the money would have to be refunded... if you're saying that's not the case, there's zero chance I would participate in future preorders.
post #11624 of 14462
oh yes ok i misunderstood the question

as with the viberg sf mto program, if he doesnt make the minimum requirement then yes all money would be refunded. sorry for the confusion

also FYI, this is only a suggestion. mauro will do as he sees fit. im just playing devils advocate and giving options that other retailers do
post #11625 of 14462

Yeah, VLSI clarified my question -- that's what I was wondering. I'd totally put down $30 then.

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