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post #122 of 853
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The computers still love Duke.

When did Duke last make it past the Sweet 16? Computers may love them, but they don't pass the eye test.
post #123 of 853
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When did Duke last make it past the Sweet 16? Computers may love them, but they don't pass the eye test.

Then they're due. Greg Paulus is no longer on the team, so past results are null & void.
post #124 of 853
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Then they're due. Greg Paulus is no longer on the team, so past results are null & void.

If Duke gets the remaining one up for grabs and is placed opposite an athletic, strong 4 seed (Baylor, Tennessee, Pittsburgh) they are done.
post #125 of 853
Yeah, Baylor could definitely present them problems if Dunn and Carter can get hot and shoot it, but I think Baylor will be on the 5 line as of now. A win over Texas gets them closer and a semi final of the Big 12 tourney might get them on the 4. Pitt has really underachieved in the tournament too, so I wouldn't count on them for much of anything, much less an upset over a one. Tennessee is a weird team. I have no good gauge on them. I could see them losing in the first round or going to the Elite 8. They had some really flat games in the SEC but also the two huge wins. They aren't a great (or even consistent) shooting team. They feed off crowds and energy. It will be a really fun tournament this year. I see lots of upsets.
post #126 of 853
Yikes historic beat down in Durham. I know UNC is down but I didn't realize it was this bad.
post #127 of 853
UNC is 2011 bad.
post #128 of 853
The book on Roy Williams has been written since 2008 although coaches still don't plan accordingly. For a long time, conventional wisdom said that slowing the game down was the best way to beat his teams. I read a really good statistical study on how to beat his teams and the conclusion was that the key was actually to play at North Carolina's speed, but with a relentless physicality in hopes to maximize the amount of possessions. They found that in the games his teams lost, the winning team out-fouled UNC by a 7:4 margin, compared with a 5:4 margin in the games his teams won. Roy's weakness is his inability to ever make a coaching adjustment on the spot and so teams had the ability to play really fast, force careless turnovers through aggressive pressure and get a handful of extra possessions in before Roy would get to the tv timeouts where he could make adjustments. Roy almost never uses timeouts and so his teams are vulnerable to any in game adjustments like a change in defensive set by the opponent. Even when UNC was getting sodomized by KU in the Final Four in 08, he refused to call a timeout until KU was up 38-12. In contrast, Bill Self almost always uses every timeout he has and he gets better defensive efficiency out of his players for it. Roy is really stubborn in his coaching mentality. But when you recruit guards and athletic big men like he does you can win championships despite of it. But to his credit, he really is a mastermind on transition offense and that's probably what makes him recruit so well.
post #129 of 853
their talent is horrid, bunch of skinny athletes with no legit nba prospects and little offensive ability barnes coming in will be a #1 overall though. don't know anything about their other recruits
post #130 of 853
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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post
The book on Roy Williams has been written since 2008 although coaches still don't plan accordingly. For a long time, conventional wisdom said that slowing the game down was the best way to beat his teams. I read a really good statistical study on how to beat his teams and the conclusion was that the key was actually to play at North Carolina's speed, but with a relentless physicality in hopes to maximize the amount of possessions. They found that in the games his teams lost, the winning team out-fouled UNC by a 7:4 margin, compared with a 5:4 margin in the games his teams won. Roy's weakness is his inability to ever make a coaching adjustment on the spot and so teams had the ability to play really fast, force careless turnovers through aggressive pressure and get a handful of extra possessions in before Roy would get to the tv timeouts where he could make adjustments. Roy almost never uses timeouts and so his teams are vulnerable to any in game adjustments like a change in defensive set by the opponent. Even when UNC was getting sodomized by KU in the Final Four in 08, he refused to call a timeout until KU was up 38-12. In contrast, Bill Self almost always uses every timeout he has and he gets better defensive efficiency out of his players for it. Roy is really stubborn in his coaching mentality. But when you recruit guards and athletic big men like he does you can win championships despite of it. But to his credit, he really is a mastermind on transition offense and that's probably what makes him recruit so well.

As a KU fan, trust me, that book was written long before 2008. He's too stubborn to ever use timeouts, his teams are finesse teams, and if you slow it down, he's toast.
post #131 of 853
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Yikes historic beat down in Durham. I know UNC is down but I didn't realize it was this bad.
And somehow I took great pleasure in watching the game although I have no love whatsoever for Duke.
post #132 of 853
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As a KU fan, trust me, that book was written long before 2008. He's too stubborn to ever use timeouts, his teams are finesse teams, and if you slow it down, he's toast.

But that is exactly opposite of the proven method to beating him, hence the "conventional wisdom" bit.
post #133 of 853
Baaaaaaaaaaaahahhahahhahahhahahahahaahhhaa @ UNC
post #134 of 853
As someone who missed out on four fucking years of bench-burning, I live vicariously through this Duke team.

As someone who lived through 3 fucking years of Brian Zoubek, I question the laws of the universe when I see him playing well right now.
post #135 of 853
I've seen rocks run faster than Brian Zoubek.
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