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post #46 of 57
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Originally Posted by tradernick View Post
See this for an example of a crass response vs. that of Crooow above which is pretty classy.

I won't bother to comment other than to reiterate that not one seller I have dealt with here has insisted upon this type of shipping. So it is not true that 'most of you' use Express $$$ as your standard shipping method to Canada. That is the whole point of the thread. If you think it's ridiculous, that's great for you.

We had a Senator down here that used to (allegedly) get blowjobs in the mens rooms in airports for a while. No one raised any issue with it until he stopped in Minneapolis. Moral of the story - no matter how many corners you've cut in the past, or people you convince to deviate from accepted practices, there's always a first time that there will be a problem and it's a pain in the ass.

Let me pose the question to you - let's say the the seller decided to go along with you and ship the item in a manner that didn't allow him to track the item directly to your door in an efficient manner. The package doesn't arrive. What would you do? And more importantly, how does he know that you won't dispute the charge and he's then out the cost of the jeans plus whatever shipping method you've asked him to use? It just doesn't make sense for those of us who don't make a living from selling items here and on ebay.
post #47 of 57
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Let me pose the question to you - let's say the the seller decided to go along with you and ship the item in a manner that didn't allow him to track the item directly to your door in an efficient manner. The package doesn't arrive. What would you do? And more importantly, how does he know that you won't dispute the charge and he's then out the cost of the jeans plus whatever shipping method you've asked him to use? It just doesn't make sense for those of us who don't make a living from selling items here and on ebay.
In my business, because of the competitive environment we are facing, I am forced, on a daily basis, to find compromises with my customers and with my suppliers. There are cheaper methods of shipping to Canada with tracking - the seller himself pointed this out to me. There is no earthly reason why we should pay the absolute full nut for the fastest ( the fastest, not the most secure - this is what you're paying for here) shipping method when another cheaper method would provide protection for both parties. Again, this seller was evidently burned, not by Canadians whose packages never showed up, but by Canadian fraud artists who received their packages and then charged his Paypal back. With regard to working with me to save some $$$ by understating value and thereby hopefully avoiding the full tax/duty hit... I have had quite a few packages ripped open by customs and had the value reassessed. In no case did the seller ever tell me that Canadian Customs opened a file with the U.S. FBI, who then proceeded with an action against the shipper for the crime of understating the value. Canadian Customs don't give a flying **** about the Americans on the other end of a deal of this size. They rip it open, reassess, and then they charge me. Having said this, if you're not comfortable with understating, there's nothing I can do about it, even though most guys have no problem with it. Helping your customer save $30 on a $175 deal (the foreseeable savings when a reasonable shipping method is combined with a reasonable understatement of value; the savings could be more if no duty/tax is assessed) seems to me to be a way of working with your customer (at least a customer who you feel you can trust) to expedite the deal.
post #48 of 57
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Originally Posted by tradernick View Post
Thanks to everyone who responded, including those who made inexplicable statements like 'You want cheaper shipping and zero risk' which I obviously never even hinted at.
That's what your thread is all about. You have a problem with the seller, who is completely reasonable in his insistence about shipping a package internationally and protecting both parties in the shipping process. Your insistence about paying less for something that is available for cheaper means, and allows you the standard paypal protection, but absolutely none for the seller, is un-reasonable. If my reasoning is wrong, why don't you offer the seller a paypal 'personal' payment where he has zero risk in shipping internationally, and you get the item for the cost desired? What would you do in the sellers shoes? Would you ship internationally without protecting yourself? What would you do if a seller filed a claim for something you shipped internationally without a tracking #? You have been very polite, and haven't taken anyone's bait, but this entire post is a tantrum to me. If the skinning RLBL jeans are the ones mentioned in the post, there are about 6-7 f them at a store here in San Francisco for about $75 a pop.
post #49 of 57
Let me just add on to what I believe you're looking for in a proxy - feel free to corrrect me if I'm wrong.

a) dealing with the money and fees
b) shipping it to you via a less reliable (but cheaper) method than $33.50 USPS Express
c) assume some sort of responsibility for the item if it gets lost
d) declare the value to be less than what it is for customs purposes
post #50 of 57
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Originally Posted by rogerm View Post
Your insistence about paying less for something that is available for cheaper means, and allows you the standard paypal protection, but absolutely none for the seller, is un-reasonable.
At the risk of quadruple redundancy, I will say again that there are other methods which provide ample protection (protection that is good enough for 99.99% of the other sellers here) which is cheaper. We do not need to pay for the Mega $$$ Ultra High Speed fastest method. The speed of delivery is a part of the $33.50 charge for Ultra Mega Express Priority. It's a total waste of money. All we need is delivery confirmation and that can be had cheaper. This sellers insistence upon Super Ultra High Speed Mega Delivery is based on the fact that Canadians ripped him off in the past, or so it seems. 99% of sellers on here don't need this type of guarantee.
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this entire post is a tantrum to me.
Gotcha.
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Originally Posted by rogerm View Post
If the skinning RLBL jeans are the ones mentioned in the post, there are about 6-7 f them at a store here in San Francisco for about $75 a pop.
PM on its way
post #51 of 57
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Originally Posted by intent View Post
Being from Canada originally, I can attest to the opinion that shipping anything to Canada is a huge pain. It's more expensive, slower, and full of hassles.

More expensive for whom?? As a seller, what do you care how much the shipping is? For that matter, what do you care that it is slower? The buyer is the one waiting and paying for it afterall. Outside of filling out a short customs card, what are these huge hassles? If anything it is usually the buyers (re:Canadians) getting screwed over the whole shipping scam.
post #52 of 57
I'm going to pose my questions to you again: If my reasoning is wrong, why don't you offer the seller a paypal 'personal' payment where he has zero risk in shipping internationally, and you get the item for the cost desired? What would you do in the sellers shoes? Would you ship internationally without protecting yourself? What would you do if a seller filed a claim for something you shipped internationally without a tracking #? The US postal service does not offer any international tracking services, EXCEPT Express Mail. If your intention is to complain about shipping costs, why are you writing about it here. The US Postal Service is who you should be contacting. As you said, UPS, is not a sound way to go. FedEx could burn the seller, and as a seller, requires a tremendous amount of paper work and just may not something the seller wants to deal with.
post #53 of 57
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Originally Posted by bjan View Post
Let me just add on to what I believe you're looking for in a proxy - feel free to corrrect me if I'm wrong.
Yes, you're totally wrong, but I've had enough of this and have no need or desire to correct you. My jeans are on their way and I may be able to grab another pair if the member above agrees to grab the pair he saw or, if he doesn't want to deal with someone as infantile as me, then maybe he will give me the name of the shop and I can get another San Fran seller to grab me a couple of pairs. I'll likely save a minimum of $15 and a maximum of $40 doing this via proxy. It's just ridiculous how well these jeans fit me and I would take numerous pairs if I can get them.
post #54 of 57
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Originally Posted by rogerm View Post
If your intention is to complain about shipping costs, why are you writing about it here. The US Postal Service is who you should be contacting.
Ack!! What in the heck have I been thinking?? Thanks so much, I'll get ahold of them now.
post #55 of 57
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Originally Posted by Chargersfan View Post
More expensive for whom?? As a seller, what do you care how much the shipping is? For that matter, what do you care that it is slower? The buyer is the one waiting and paying for it afterall. Outside of filling out a short customs card, what are these huge hassles? If anything it is usually the buyers (re:Canadians) getting screwed over the whole shipping scam.
Filling out the form is a pain, but the bigger hassle for me when it comes to International shipping is having to wait in line at the P.O. I can print online and drop in a box for domestic, but international packages mean I have to wait in line for usually 15-30 minutes. I normally ship during my lunch hour, so it can be a drag. I do sympathize for the customs and shipping cost.
post #56 of 57
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Originally Posted by rogerm View Post
If the skinning RLBL jeans are the ones mentioned in the post, there are about 6-7 f them at a store here in San Francisco for about $75 a pop.
Anyone in San Francisco who wants to grab me a pair of these from Bloomingdales, PM me. Thanks to rogerm for letting me know where they are.
post #57 of 57
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Originally Posted by tradernick View Post
There are cheaper methods of shipping to Canada with tracking - the seller himself pointed this out to me. There is no earthly reason why we should pay the absolute full nut for the fastest, not the most secure - this is what you're paying for here) shipping method when another cheaper method would provide protection for both parties.

I don't know why the seller told you that. It's false. USPS Express is the only USPS option that provides tracking and/or delivery confirmation past the Canada-US border. With the other companies that provide tracking and/or delivery confirmation (UPS etc), you will either pay more for shipping charges or more for duty charges. This has been pointed out to you repeatedly. I see you have settled your difficulty, so I suppose it doesn't matter anymore.
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