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post #31 of 57
What about an escrow? A third party holds the money and settle the deal?
post #32 of 57
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Originally Posted by lirper View Post
What about an escrow? A third party holds the money and settle the deal?
That's also an idea. But I fear the seller won't be interested since if the Fates decide to lose the package, he won't be happy about a third party being involved in a decision as to how liability is portioned out.
post #33 of 57
they're jeans, move on with your life. I have seen things on ebay and in the B & S that I would like, but they don't ship to Canada. . It's their loss, I mean really, is it that much more trouble to send something to Canada? In this economy they should be happy anyone is interested in their crap.
post #34 of 57
You have gone on 4 months without the jeans, and survived... Forget about them if dealing with the seller brings you so much misery. I'm sure you can go on living well for years without that pair of jeans.
post #35 of 57
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You have gone on 4 months without the jeans, and survived... Forget about them if dealing with the seller brings you so much misery. I'm sure you can go on living well for years without that pair of jeans.

Or....the OP never gets over his passion for these jeans, never marries or has children, drops out of society and ends up on the street living in a cardboard shack beside his shopping cart filled with returnable cans. These jeans could be the key to his happiness. OP, you better be sure they fit!
post #36 of 57
I assume you're talking about these jeans:

http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=141296

IMO $125 is not an unreasonable price for those jeans. Last time Gilt had RLBL jeans, they went for $150, IIRC. If you think they're "way overpriced," though, maybe you should just move on, especially since you already have a pair.
post #37 of 57
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Originally Posted by Naf Nasitra View Post
I assume you're talking about these jeans:

http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=141296

IMO $125 is not an unreasonable price for those jeans. Last time Gilt had RLBL jeans, they went for $150, IIRC. If you think they're "way overpriced," though, maybe you should just move on, especially since you already have a pair.

I have had some interaction with the seller of the jeans regarding a tie for which he was asking 50USD. As I was OK with the price I Pm'd for a shipping quote to India and he responded that it would cost 31 USD for shipping by USPS with full tracking. I replied that this would make the cost of the tie 81 USD and this was too much for you and could he ship by a cheaper method. He replied saying that this is the only method which protects his interest in case of a paypal dispute. I understood his point of view but the cost of the tie including shipping was too much for me so I passed.

During my interaction I found him to be responsive and polite. Yes, he has a point of view and he does not budge from it but a person can not be grudged for protecting his interests.
post #38 of 57
Are you trying to find someone who will proxy for you by:
a) dealing with the money and fees
b) shipping it to you via a less reliable (but cheaper) method
c) assume some sort of responsibility for the item if it gets lost
post #39 of 57
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Originally Posted by Chargersfan View Post
they're jeans, move on with your life. I have seen things on ebay and in the B & S that I would like, but they don't ship to Canada. . It's their loss, I mean really, is it that much more trouble to send something to Canada? In this economy they should be happy anyone is interested in their crap.
Being from Canada originally, I can attest to the opinion that shipping anything to Canada is a huge pain. It's more expensive, slower, and full of hassles.
post #40 of 57
After going through this post, I really have no idea what advice you're looking for. As someone who has done a lot of selling I get a lot of lowball offers and shipping requests. Shipping internationally is not a problem, but if the buyer does not want to pay for the shipping then I don't sell it to them. Case closed. The seller is 100% correct in the matter. You want cheaper shipping and zero risk?? Your whole post was created out of frustration because you're not getting what for what you want.


Oh and FedEx is an incredibly reliable way to ship, but I will NEVER again use it to ship internationally. I'm not sure what happens across the border, but I think the receiver can refuse to pay customs and Fedex comes around and sends the shipper the customs bill.
post #41 of 57
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Thanks to everyone who responded, including those who made inexplicable statements like 'You want cheaper shipping and zero risk' which I obviously never even hinted at. I am going to use a proxy for this shipment and will thus limit my exposure to duty/tax and cap the amount which I will pay for this item. As I said, I haven't had too many problems getting guys to ship to Canada and I believe that this seller was probably burned badly by some Canadians in the past, thus his intransigence. Hopefully other sellers will not get burned and will continue to ship up to Canada without insisting on the buyer incurring a $33.50 charge for an item that weighs 1 pound 13 ounces.
post #42 of 57
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As I said, I haven't had too many problems getting guys to ship to Canada and I believe that this seller was probably burned badly by some Canadians in the past, thus his intransigence.

FWIW, I think this is the part of this entire thread that is continuing to give everyone pause.

You may have had the best of intentions, but continually calling the seller intransigent is a slight to the seller. I'm sure you are going to reply that you simply mean he is uncompromising, but the clear connotation is that is he stubborn and unreasonable, and I'm just not seeing that.

I've had this conversation with other forum members in PM, but I will frankly say that I'm generally not interested in shipping internationally, and this thread has done nothing to change my mind. I have no interest in alienating potential customers (and frankly, I've never met a Canadian that I didn't like). At the end of the day, though, this isn't my profession; buying and selling is something that I do in my spare time. Casually dropping something off to be mailed domestically takes no time; hassling with customs forms and/or lying on value declarations is a different animal, and I certainly don't fault those who don't want to deal with it.

Just my $.02; hope you are able to work out a reasonable accommodation in your situation.
post #43 of 57
My only hope is that when the proxy sends the jeans to you (for a net savings of something less than $20) by an untrackable international shipping method, they get there with as little hassle as possible so that we don't have to deal with another ridiculous thread about what remedy you have against the proxy or original seller.

If you want to pay with PayPal you have to be willing to pay for a shipping method that allows you to show that the item was delivered. Period. End of story. I don't care how nice of a guy you are, how many posts you have on this or any other forum, or how intransigent you think the seller is. You're the one asking him to deviate from his, and most of our, standard policies regarding shipping. The internet isn't just about getting whatever you want for as little as possible. As you've just learned, it's also about getting exactly what you want at whatever cost the seller is willing to part with the item for.
post #44 of 57
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Originally Posted by Crooow View Post
FWIW, I think this is the part of this entire thread that is continuing to give everyone pause. You may have had the best of intentions, but continually calling the seller intransigent is a slight to the seller. I'm sure you are going to reply that you simply mean he is uncompromising, but the clear connotation is that is he stubborn and unreasonable, and I'm just not seeing that. I've had this conversation with other forum members in PM, but I will frankly say that I'm generally not interested in shipping internationally, and this thread has done nothing to change my mind. I have no interest in alienating potential customers (and frankly, I've never met a Canadian that I didn't like). At the end of the day, though, this isn't my profession; buying and selling is something that I do in my spare time. Casually dropping something off to be mailed domestically takes no time; hassling with customs forms and/or lying on value declarations is a different animal, and I certainly don't fault those who don't want to deal with it. Just my $.02; hope you are able to work out a reasonable accommodation in your situation.
I always welcome a reasoned analysis from someone whose language isn't juvenille. It's not lost on me that so many people posted in defence of the seller. Obviously something I am saying is rubbing people the wrong way. I'll think about it, but the main things for me is that this deal is so much different than any other I've done here. I can't prove how many I've done; all I can tell you is that it's well north of 50 in the past 15 months. In all that time I have never encountered a seller who is so incredibly firm about me paying this kind of shipping charge and since I have done so many deals without a hitch, I ask 'Why in the heck should we give USPS that kind of money??'. The answer from his perspective is obviously informed by a very bad experience. In any case, I understand that I didn't come off too well in this thread, but it's okay. I have a policy of only dealing with guys who have been around for a while and who are recognized dealers here (and by the way, this seller is one of them. I always search for other FS threads from the seller and this guy is active). These sellers, even if they see this thread and don't like the tone, will probably still sell to me. Thanks for the analysis.
post #45 of 57
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Originally Posted by juuceman View Post
My only hope is that when the proxy sends the jeans to you (for a net savings of something less than $20) by an untrackable international shipping method, they get there with as little hassle as possible so that we don't have to deal with another ridiculous thread about what remedy you have against the proxy or original seller.

If you want to pay with PayPal you have to be willing to pay for a shipping method that allows you to show that the item was delivered. Period. End of story. I don't care how nice of a guy you are, how many posts you have on this or any other forum, or how intransigent you think the seller is. You're the one asking him to deviate from his, and most of our, standard policies regarding shipping. The internet isn't just about getting whatever you want for as little as possible. As you've just learned, it's also about getting exactly what you want at whatever cost the seller is willing to part with the item for.
See this for an example of a crass response vs. that of Crooow above which is pretty classy.

I won't bother to comment other than to reiterate that not one seller I have dealt with here has insisted upon this type of shipping. So it is not true that 'most of you' use Express $$$ as your standard shipping method to Canada. That is the whole point of the thread. If you think it's ridiculous, that's great for you.
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