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Carmina plain toe Derby in Loden suede, MTO for one of our clients. Enjoy!


To the chagrin of the owner of these, I say you should offer these in a full size run, Leaves. I'll take a uk 9.5, thank you.
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Hello guys, I have a small question about suede shoes. I have difficult feet and most shoes hurt me little toe at my left foot due to a special problem (it's not that my shoes are not big enough or anything like that). I was wondering if suede shoes are generally (a lot) softer on your feet then shoes made in calf leather? I have a couple of Crockett&Jones shoes in calf leather and although I can bear them without too much problems I'm looking for a nice shoe that will even be a bit more relaxed for my feet. Should i try suede shoes? 

 

Thx beforehand for your answers!

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Hello guys, I have a small question about suede shoes. I have difficult feet and most shoes hurt me little toe at my left foot due to a special problem (it's not that my shoes are not big enough or anything like that). I was wondering if suede shoes are generally (a lot) softer on your feet then shoes made in calf leather? I have a couple of Crockett&Jones shoes in calf leather and although I can bear them without too much problems I'm looking for a nice shoe that will even be a bit more relaxed for my feet. Should i try suede shoes? 

Thx beforehand for your answers!

It's not so much suede that will be softer on your feet, but rather unlined suede. I have lined suede shoes that don't really feel any different than calf, but unlined suede is significantly more forgiving on your feet in comparison. Unlined Chromexcel also feels similarly comfortable. Give some of those options a try and see how they work for your feet.
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Originally Posted by Tuur View Post

Hello guys, I have a small question about suede shoes. I have difficult feet and most shoes hurt me little toe at my left foot due to a special problem (it's not that my shoes are not big enough or anything like that). I was wondering if suede shoes are generally (a lot) softer on your feet then shoes made in calf leather? I have a couple of Crockett&Jones shoes in calf leather and although I can bear them without too much problems I'm looking for a nice shoe that will even be a bit more relaxed for my feet. Should i try suede shoes? 

Thx beforehand for your answers!

Often, esp. when talking about higher end shoes, suede will be calf skin. So you can't really say suede is softer than calf skin simply because it is calf. Good suede is simply full grain calf skin turned inside out.

Some shoes at the lower end which are advertised or promoted as being "suede" are really just "splits." And usually an inferior leather is used to begin with...such as cow rather than calf.

On a "split" the top grain--the densest, strongest layer--has been split/cut away from the "flesh" underneath (and maybe even sold separately.) What's left is often marketed as "suede" and is indeed softer but only because it has less resistance to stretching and being pulled apart. And that means it's less strong as well.

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Edited by DWFII - 1/11/14 at 7:48am
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To the chagrin of the owner of these, I say you should offer these in a full size run, Leaves. I'll take a uk 9.5, thank you.

 

That's a terrific make-up, for sure.

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It's not so much suede that will be softer on your feet, but rather unlined suede. I have lined suede shoes that don't really feel any different than calf, but unlined suede is significantly more forgiving on your feet in comparison. Unlined Chromexcel also feels similarly comfortable. Give some of those options a try and see how they work for your feet.

+1 strongly recommend trying a pair of unlined suede
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Brioni

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Tramezza (Ferragamo)


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Originally Posted by Beatlegeuse View Post


It's not so much suede that will be softer on your feet, but rather unlined suede. I have lined suede shoes that don't really feel any different than calf, but unlined suede is significantly more forgiving on your feet in comparison. Unlined Chromexcel also feels similarly comfortable. Give some of those options a try and see how they work for your feet.

 

Thx for your comments everybody! I presume that most high quality brands use lined suede then? Which brands should I look into for unlined suede? I'm sorry but I don't know anything about construction of shoes and types of leather.. Your help is much appreciated!

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Tuur

A high end maker will provide lined and unlined. Start here http://www.crockettandjones.com/product/milton-polo#.UtJcLX8gGSM

Milton is unlined version of Tetbury (007 Daniel Craig) but don't stop there, look around their site you'll see unlined Chukka, Hartland.... Different lasts, colours etc so down to personal taste.

My favourite unlined at the mom' is my Chukka 3 inlove.gif

The final pic is one I took at the CJ Factory shop on Friday. Unlined in the corner, not really yer colour for me but nonetheless luverly!

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Just to be clear...IMO, any maker that uses a "split" unlined, at any price, is shortchanging the customer. Splits simply do not retain even a fraction of the tensile strength of a full grain leather.

Fortunately, this may not always be a problem as one of the benefits of using a full grain leather with the "fleshside" out is that the grain effectively becomes the lining--it is smooth, as a lining should be to prevent chafing of the foot, and to shed dirt. And if the leather is thick enough, the substance can often be similar to the combined substance of a thinner leather and a lining.

The big downside in that event, however, is that there is no ability for the maker to sandwich the toe and heel stiffener between the upper and the liner. As a consequence unlined shoes often have no toe or heel stiffener...no support for the foot...or, the stiffeners tend to be glued or cemented in place (a heel pocket could be sewn in, which then functions as a partial liner). Relying on cement or glue alone can, and often does, result in the stiffeners coming loose...making wear and comfort problematic, esp. over the long term.
post #1723 of 2173
DWFII, are you familiar with C&J and Alden's unlined suede chukka offerings? Do you know if either is made with splits? Both seem pretty substantial to me, though noticeably softer than their lined counterparts.
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DWFII, are you familiar with C&J and Alden's unlined suede chukka offerings? Do you know if either is made with splits? Both seem pretty substantial to me, though noticeably softer than their lined counterparts.

Easy way to tell...if they are unlined...look inside the shoe. If the inside looks like full grain calf or cow, they are not using splits. If the inside looks like "suede"...like the outside, IOW...they're using splits.
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Thanks; both full grain then.
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