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post #886 of 2875
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Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post

I'd stress for the grinder that it's not necessarily fineness, but consistency of the grind that one should focus on. Just get a Rancilio Rocky as a starter grinder - be sure to get doserless, the doser sucks.
Both together will do the job. wink.gif
You don't want a consistent coarse grind that lets your espressi splatter out in a matter of seconds.

Graef CM80 or Demoka M203 come to mind as entry level mills. I'm very happy with my Mahlkönig Vario II which I got for quite "cheap" as a bundle with my Silvia.
post #887 of 2875
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Originally Posted by b1os View Post

Dual Boiler for home use? Really?

I'm not sure if it's necessary, but they have put a lot of other nice features into that machine.

Anyway, +1 on getting a good grinder for espresso. People tend to spend way more on the coffee-making machine than the grinder, when the grinder can make a much bigger difference.

I got this in the mail today:

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post #888 of 2875
Well, again, unless you don't use it professionally, I think a grinder for 100-200€ (like the two I just named) will definitely do the job. Other than that, it's mostly noise reduction, ceramic "grinder" and some fancy stuff like timer(s). Also more compact design, resulting in less space for old coffee grinds to settle (the Vario II has, I think, about 2g of ground coffee, which is pretty good -- some have like 5g).

As to boilers -- unless you drink cappuccinos en masse, you won't even need a heat exchanger. But dual boiler is a complete overkill for any purpose with just one brewing group. Don't you think so?
As far as I can tell, the Brevilla Dual Boiler just has all the gimmick stuff included. You can always upgrade a Silvia with a PID, pre infusion thingy (both of which aren't a must for any beginner, but probably actually unproductive), and you can use a simple timer switch. wink.gif
Edited by b1os - 8/29/12 at 3:04pm
post #889 of 2875
While the modified Rancilios may work fine, they look like someone's science project. The Breville has everything integrated and designed in from the factory, and is supported by the factory warranty. I think that's probably the biggest advantage. It also sounds like they really looked at the enthusiast market and gave them all the features they asked for, and that's never a bad thing.
post #890 of 2875
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Originally Posted by A Y View Post

While the modified Rancilios may work fine, they look like someone's science project.
And that's what it is.
post #891 of 2875
I think the point is that most people don't need to modify a Rancilio in the first place. I can't get over a perception issue that I have with Breville - they make small electrics - they don't specialize in espresso.
post #892 of 2875
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Originally Posted by b1os View Post

Both together will do the job. wink.gif
You don't want a consistent coarse grind that lets your espressi splatter out in a matter of seconds.
Graef CM80 or Demoka M203 come to mind as entry level mills. I'm very happy with my Mahlkönig Vario II which I got for quite "cheap" as a bundle with my Silvia.

yes but almost any burr grinder can grind to a fine coarseness sufficient for espresso - this isn't turkish coffee.

anyone have experience with the mazzer mini? I'm thinking of upgrading from my Rocky.
post #893 of 2875
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Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post

yes but almost any burr grinder can grind to a fine coarseness sufficient for espresso - this isn't turkish coffee.
Which, again, is what I've tried to say. Maybe I'm just expressing myself in a weird manner.
post #894 of 2875
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Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post

I think the point is that most people don't need to modify a Rancilio in the first place. I can't get over a perception issue that I have with Breville - they make small electrics - they don't specialize in espresso.

this is stupid. just because they dont specialize in espresso doesnt mean the machine they make is bad. also it appears you are bashing a product you've never even used. the breville double boiler has great reviews and having used it in person I honestly would love to have one.
post #895 of 2875
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Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post

yes but almost any burr grinder can grind to a fine coarseness sufficient for espresso - this isn't turkish coffee.
anyone have experience with the mazzer mini? I'm thinking of upgrading from my Rocky.

yeah but consistency in grind size isnt universal in all burr grinders
post #896 of 2875
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

this is stupid. just because they dont specialize in espresso doesnt mean the machine they make is bad. also it appears you are bashing a product you've never even used. the breville double boiler has great reviews and having used it in person I honestly would love to have one.

I didn't bash anything - I said it's a perception issue that I have.

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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

yeah but consistency in grind size isnt universal in all burr grinders

exactly - which is why I stressed the importance of consistency above fistbump.gif
post #897 of 2875
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

this is stupid. just because they dont specialize in espresso doesnt mean the machine they make is bad. also it appears you are bashing a product you've never even used. the breville double boiler has great reviews and having used it in person I honestly would love to have one.
It seems weird that on the one hand you want a Nespresso machine where you absolutely don't have to do anything at all and on the other hand a machine with all the gimmick stuff out there that allows you to enormously personalize your machine. tongue.gif
post #898 of 2875
:P. they both have their pros and cons
post #899 of 2875
No pain, no gain.
post #900 of 2875
nah. i disagree. i dont always have time to fiddle with everything
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