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post #46 of 739
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post

BS in Economics does not make you good at math, it gives BS next to your name that is all.

Pretty sure an economics professor at MIT is going to have a PhD.


As far as I can tell, all these econ analyses come down to what assumptions you make anyway.
post #47 of 739
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Pretty sure an economics professor at MIT is going to have a PhD.


As far as I can tell, all these econ analyses come down to what assumptions you make anyway.

Agree on both points but I think sometimes even an idiot like me can say, "HEY! Mr. Ph.D! That's a fucking stupid assumption. You like unicorns, do you?"
post #48 of 739
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Under ObamaCare Smoking is a Preexisting Condition
April 10, 2013

The District of Columbia’s Obamacare czars — the board that sets rules for the phony insurance marketplace, or “exchange,” that the law creates — have decided that henceforth insurers shall be forbidden by law to charge smokers higher rates than non-smokers. Smoking, as it turns out, “is a preexisting medical condition,” according to Dr. Mohammad Akhter, the chairman of the D.C. Health Exchange Board. Two liberal states, California and Connecticut, have decided likewise, while Colorado and Alaska have rejected the idea.

Brilliant.
post #49 of 739
Hopefully we can also classify drug use, prostitution, drinking bleach, ghost riding the whip, and mutilating one's own genitals as pre-existing conditions as well. It wouldn't be fair to charge those people more for insurance, would it?
post #50 of 739
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Brilliant.

Smokers must vote D more than R.
post #51 of 739
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Brilliant.


Sounds like that's just for DC.
post #52 of 739
The national gun owner register will be needed, because gun ownership adversely effects one's mental and physical health.

Laugh now, but you just know in your heart that this is coming. They'll test the waters in an agency memo, then move it along from there.
post #53 of 739
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

The national gun owner register will be needed, because gun ownership adversely effects one's mental and physical health.

Laugh now, but you just know in your heart that this is coming. They'll test the waters in an agency memo, then move it along from there.


They're already sneakily doing this. Remember those "executive actions" Obama implemented back in February? One was to "clarify" that Doctors are allowed to ask people if they own guns in their home. Not today, probably not tomorrow, but at some point in the not distant future that's going to end up on a list.


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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Sounds like that's just for DC.

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Two liberal states, California and Connecticut, have decided likewise, while Colorado and Alaska have rejected the idea.

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post #54 of 739
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

They're already sneakily doing this. Remember those "executive actions" Obama implemented back in February? One was to "clarify" that Doctors are allowed to ask people if they own guns in their home. Not today, probably not tomorrow, but at some point in the not distant future that's going to end up on a list.


You have to respect them if their actions can actually outpace my cynical (though accurate) suspicions.
post #55 of 739
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

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Right, but it's a state by state thing. It's not something "Obama" decided on, just states doing their thing. It's obviously dumb, but state's right or something I guess.
post #56 of 739
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

They're already sneakily doing this. Remember those "executive actions" Obama implemented back in February? One was to "clarify" that Doctors are allowed to ask people if they own guns in their home. Not today, probably not tomorrow, but at some point in the not distant future that's going to end up on a list.

Do you have a link to this?
post #57 of 739
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Do you have a link to this?


http://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-executive-actions-on-gun-control-2013-1

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16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

Then look at 14 and 2. I think it's clear what their goals are.

Again, it's not going to happen today, but we're not that far off.
post #58 of 739
Have to admit those EOs are obviously pretty targeted and synergistic. I wonder how the "do not stigmatize the mentally ill" people are going to align with the direction these EOs are going in? Should be interesting double think.
post #59 of 739
Somewhat related to this thread:

A RCT of patients participating in Oregon's Medicaid expansion was just published. The results? Health outcomes not improved over the control group, but boy-howdy, did they ever utilize the fuck out of the medical system.

Now lets look the other way and not let this stop us from rolling out the program nationwide. Its only going to cost a few hundred billion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/02/business/study-finds-health-care-use-rises-with-expanded-medicaid.html?_r=0
post #60 of 739
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

The national gun owner register will be needed, because gun ownership adversely effects one's mental and physical health.

Laugh now, but you just know in your heart that this is coming. They'll test the waters in an agency memo, then move it along from there.

Actually they want to do it by way of background checks. Once they're required for all gun transactions, it'll be relatively easy to start keeping all the records. Though the federal government doesn't retain them at the moment, some states already do, creating a de facto gun registry.
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