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post #331 of 739
Just got a $250 refund from the insurance company for 2012. Obamacare icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

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post #332 of 739
There's no authority for it but everybody just kind of winks and nods and lets it slide
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Originally Posted by cross22 View Post

Just got a $250 refund from the insurance company for 2012. Obamacare icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

peepwall[1].gif

Are you a poor?
post #333 of 739
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Originally Posted by cross22 View Post

Just got a $250 refund from the insurance company for 2012. Obamacare icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

peepwall[1].gif

Sweet. Using it for your birth control pill co-pay?
post #334 of 739
post #335 of 739
This is not a "fix." People are still going to lose their plans and he's just pushing it out until the 2014 election season. This move is so stupid it's worthy of a Republican strategist.
post #336 of 739
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

This is not a "fix." People are still going to lose their plans and he's just pushing it out until the 2014 election season. This move is so stupid it's worthy of a Republican strategist.

How can the President force insurance companies to reissue insurance policies? He's just going to say, "those cancellations are invalid; as you were people."? I just don't see it even working, but perhaps I'm being naive.
post #337 of 739
I'm just gonna' leave a few of these here:






post #338 of 739
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

And, again, I'd like to ask: what the hell kind of a law lets the president "administratively" make such dramatic changes?

Apparently the answer is that there's nothing in the law that authorizes this. The plans are still illegal, but the president is just going to pull a "dream act" by refusing to enforce his own law for one year.

Isn't that what Romney said he'd do?
post #339 of 739
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I haven't visited this thread since the first post. Is it all going well?
post #340 of 739
Some great comments from today's NYT article about Obama's reversal. Prepare for lulz.
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Stand fast, Mr. President. This too shall pass. This will be your legacy, and is one of the most important of the past 100 years.

Don't let wimpy Democrats dictate to you! It's their problem, not yours. You didn't "lie," in the sense of deliberately doing so for greedy means, as the Bush Administration did -- and don't let that label stick to you! Republicans are the ones who lied, who got us into Iraq and caused hundreds of thousands of deaths -- not you.
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What is really frightening about all this is that because of the flawed roll out of the ACA, the President's approval rating has dropped, people in his party are turning against him, and the Republicans will have more ammunition to use against any progressive legislation that might benefit the American people. Biased and uninformed voters will support politicians that rail against this law, and their anger might carry over into the 2014 and 2016 elections, handing the Senate and perhaps the White House into radical conservative hands, guaranteeing America's plunge into a new Dark Age. These same voters will gleefully shoot themselves in the foot, while ignoring the Republican obstructionism and seditious behavior that caused the government shutdown and wants to turn this country into a pure theocratic plutocracy. I hope I will be wrong about this.
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While the Obama administration struggles with this contraption it created to placate the insurance companies and the free market above all else mentality that exists in this country, it's interesting to note that Medicaid - the government-run system - is signing up large amounts of people in the states where Medicaid has been expanded. It's really great that many more poor people will now be able to see a doctor at the first sign of illness rather than wait until it's basically too late. At some point maybe we will evolve as a country and accept a single-payer system as the best way to go on health care access and financing. Until then the rest of the uninsured and underinsured will just have to continue dealing with the problems of our current convoluted machinery.
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If 50 million had no electricity and 100 million Americans were one light bulb click away from bankruptcy, there would be riots in the streets. With 50 million uninsured and 100 million under insured, no one in congress or the administration seems to care. A waiter in a restaurant in Canada or a young entrepreneur can get pneumonia and doesn't have to worry about anything. If a waiter or an solo entrepreneur in America gets pneumonia without health insurance, they either die or go bankrupt.

American health insurance companies ensure neither quality affordable health care nor quality insurance for most Americans. With no real product to sell, the private health insurance industry would fail to exist without hundreds of millions of dollars in direct and indirect payments to the elected officials in the Congress, state legislatures and the administration. In turn, private health insurance corporations are exempt from nearly all Federal regulations, malpractice suits and anti trust laws. Congressand the Administration give these companies $100's of billions of Federal taxpayer subsidies a year, which they remove 30% for their execs, shareholders and bondholders.

After 40 years of market and medical failure, America needs to cut out the middle man and move to single-payer national health insurance for all Americans with private doctors, hospitals, clinics, therapists and drug companies competing capitalistically based on the quality of medical, surgical and preventive outcomes.
post #341 of 739
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Is that Krugman's column today?
post #342 of 739
I didn't realize pneumonia outcomes were binary: death or bankruptcy.
post #343 of 739
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Originally Posted by hopkins_student View Post

I didn't realize pneumonia outcomes were binary: death or bankruptcy.

Only without Obamacare
post #344 of 739
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

How can the President force insurance companies to reissue insurance policies? He's just going to say, "those cancellations are invalid; as you were people."? I just don't see it even working, but perhaps I'm being naive.

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/190312-regulators-unclear-on-how-o-care-fix-can-work
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"It is unclear how, as a practical matter, the changes proposed today by the president can be put into effect," said NAIC President Jim Donelon in a statement, noting that premium prices could also rise as a result.

"[We have] been clear from the beginning that allowing insurers to have different rules for different policies would be detrimental to the overall market."
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Originally Posted by hopkins_student View Post

I didn't realize pneumonia outcomes were binary: death or bankruptcy.

Do you have any idea how much an Z pack costs? That shit is at least $30.
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