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post #316 of 739
What's all this complaining about? I don't pay anything for health care. Isn't that how it works? confused.gif

But srsly, read this...http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-11/hope-is-all-obamacare-has-left.html
post #317 of 739


It would appear that Americans are 34 times more interested in buying guns than Obamacare
post #318 of 739
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It would appear that Americans are 34 times more interested in buying guns than Obamacare

You're forgetting all those horrible personal transfers and gun show loopholes that lead to everyone getting murdered.
post #319 of 739
The following is plagiarized from a PBS article's comment and is correct,

" ( The ACA is ) a lot of mumbojumbo that all boils down to COST-SHIFTING and "Father-knows-best"ism foisted on people to keep politicians from directly addressing the fact that those of us who manage our health aggressively and intelligently need to be willing to pay the bill for those who don't."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/government_programs/july-dec13/health_11-12.html
post #320 of 739
We've known this is what Obamacare was about from day one. Why didn't the GOP and the tea party guys talk about cost shifting and forcing people to buy more insurance than they need, instead of death panels and birth control pills?
post #321 of 739
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We've known this is what Obamacare was about from day one. Why didn't the GOP and the tea party guys talk about cost shifting and forcing people to buy more insurance than they need, instead of death panels and birth control pills?

You expected them to read and understand the bill so they could have an intelligent conversation and debate about the same? Those are lofty expectations.

I also think that many GOP (excluding the TP) believed that by acknowledging these shortfalls, they had already lost the fight. The debate would not if we were getting Obamacare, but instead how much Obamacare. My guess is that by pointing these things out, many felt they would be conceding the imposition of Obamacare--- a position they did not remotely want to be associated with.
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post #323 of 739
So four people have signed up for medicaid for every one who's on the "paying" (some small part of) insurance plans. 400 and 100k, respectively.



http://www.cnbc.com/id/101195897
post #324 of 739
Here's a link to an opinion piece currently on CNN's front page: http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/14/politics/king-obamacare-democrats/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Interesting and I think directly on target:
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Less sympathetic, though, was another seasoned Democrat, this one a veteran of the Bill Clinton White House.

"They don't have the time, or the self-awareness," to objectively study and learn from recent mistakes, this longtime Democratic operative said of the President and his second-term team.

"What they do not appreciate is how far away they are from the end of the second term. We had not even had (Monica) Lewinsky yet at this point," the operative said, referring to Clinton's White House affair with an intern.

Lacking self-awareness for course correction. I think that's a very insightful observation and couples well with Jon Stuart's video posted recently about Obama's attempt to fudge over his very explicit promise about being able to keep your plan no matter what. That video ended with Stuart indicating he finds Obama arrogant.
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By JENNIFER EPSTEIN | 11/14/13 9:52 AM EST
President Obama will speak on the Affordable Care Act at 11:35 a.m. Thursday, the White House said in updated guidance.

The announcement of the president's remarks come after House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said that the president plans to offer his fix Thursday for the law's cancellation problems.

Obama plans to travel to Cleveland, Ohio, and Philadelphia, later in the day.

Now taking bets on how our lord and savior comes to fix everything.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/15/us/politics/obama-to-offer-health-care-fix-to-keep-plans-democrat-says.html?hp

"WASHINGTON — Facing dissent from his own party and growing pressure from anxious Congressional Democrats, President Obama is to propose on Thursday an administrative fix to a central element of his signature health care law, allowing Americans who are losing their health insurance coverage because of the Affordable Care Act to retain it."
post #327 of 739
I'm glad they shut down the government to resist Republican extortion for that one-year delay.

And, again, I'd like to ask: what the hell kind of a law lets the president "administratively" make such dramatic changes?
post #328 of 739
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And, again, I'd like to ask: what the hell kind of a law lets the president "administratively" make such dramatic changes?

This is a really good question. Can some of you legal beagles explain it to this layman?
post #329 of 739
This happens all the time in Fed/state government. I assume there's a lot of precedent but I don't know for sure.
post #330 of 739
It's one of those things they teach you in law school that's useless in real life, so we've all forgotten it. IIRC the Supreme Court used to slap down laws that excessively delegated lawmaking to the executive, but since FDR filled the court with big-government liberals during his four terms, they don't. That would be the same supreme court that declared growing wheat on your own property for your own consumption to be "interstate commerce."
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