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post #241 of 739
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leftyohiolib (3,947 posts)
11. theyre cancelling the policies that allowed you to be kicked off if you get sick

where being a woman is a pre-exsiting condition, where acne at age16 is a pre-exsiting condition that with which they can deny you your chemo, you mean those policies?
post #242 of 739
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Asked by another reporter how repeated statements by Obama to the contrary weren’t “misleading,” Hoyer said “I don’t think the message was wrong. I think the message was accurate. It was not precise enough…[it] should have been caveated with – ‘assuming you have a policy that in fact does do what the bill is designed to do.’”

so glad I'm not a liberal. Having to defend this kind of chicanery must be horrible
post #243 of 739
I mean, I say disingenuous shit like that on behalf of my clients all the time, but that's because they are criminals and/or fraudsters. And even then I'm a bit embarassed by it.
post #244 of 739
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

I mean, I say disingenuous shit like that on behalf of my clients all the time, but that's because they are criminals and/or fraudsters. And even then I'm a bit embarassed by it.

Polishing turds is what politicians do. But they have a vested interest in parroting the party line: to keep their phony baloney jobs. It's the man on the street who isn't willing to call bullshit when the guy they voted blows it that I don't understand.
post #245 of 739
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

This is a difficult issue for me to handle diplomatically. You see, I do think limited universal healthcare should be treated as a public good, but I stress the word "limited" I do not think the taxpayers should fund unlimited healthcare particularly in end of life situations. I also believe a Bismarck system is far superior to a Canadian or UK style one, and given the rankings of some of the world's biggest Bismarck systems (France, Germany, Japan), I feel empirical evidence supports this. The Bismarck system places the players (funders, the insured, the providers) into a more capitalistic stance and removes government from allocating tax dollars which I feel is always a sure road to moral hazard.

So while I believe in universal health I do not believe in the vision of it 99.9999% of liberals in the US have. The "SINGLE PAYER HURR DURR" is deafening and the assholes are so sure they have "The Way" figured out yet do not even know there are more choices than single payer. I want to punch people that are surprised the ACA is a fucking mess and I really want to punch people that are upset now only because they've found that they are in the pool of people that are being told, "You got yours but fuck you we're taking some of it." It's the height of hypocrisy and I hate those smug fucking assholes that self-righteously feel they can dig their fat greasy fingers into my wallet yet get twisted when they get it too.

I agree with you. I think the Bismarck system would suit the us the best. But from what I understand the government does allocate the "tax" (mandated premiums) dollars. In Germany's case people pay premiums to sickness funds. Sickness funds give that money to the central health fund. The chf then pays out sickness funds according to what it thinks is fair (which at the core is based on prices from regional negotiations between healthcare providers and representatives of the state). Also germany is seen as the poster child of competition among healthcare insurers but 90% of the population is in a public plan. In fact reforms were introduced in 2009 to intensify competition in a pretty static system and from what I understand so far it hadn't really done that. Even in japan the 3000 or so private plans are more so quasi public because they have to provide uniform benefits and can't do anything about premiums. I think the biggest advantage Bismarck plans hold besides freedom of choice is that administrative costs are about half of what us currently pays. Negotiations of prices happen at the state level instead of separate agreements for every possible combination of health insurers and health providers. Payment is quick, centralized, unchallengeable, and accounts for regional differences, administrative costs, and margin of profit.
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post #247 of 739
My organization just received some input from our benefits specialist. I know this is shocking but we have to stop offering one plan (a catastrophic) and our rates are going up significantly. In December we're going to run the numbers to see if we stop offering health insurance.
post #248 of 739
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

My organization just received some input from our benefits specialist. I know this is shocking but we have to stop offering one plan (a catastrophic) and our rates are going up significantly. In December we're going to run the numbers to see if we stop offering health insurance.

You should take a pay cut and foot the bill for your employees' health care, brah.
post #249 of 739
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

You should take a pay cut and foot the bill for your employees' health care, brah.

Why is not totally wrong about you.
post #250 of 739
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Why is not totally wrong about you.

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post #251 of 739
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

You should take a pay cut and foot the bill for your employees' health care, brah.

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post #252 of 739
Healthy, straight, white teeth are a right and not a privilege.
post #253 of 739
I love how people who have never actually been poor support this shit.

Anyone who has actually been poor knows this is a fucking pyramid scheme.
post #254 of 739
Lol, I passed on Amway and Cutco and timeshares because they are shit. So now, if I were a poor person which I'm not, I'd be forced to invest in this shit fuck stack.

I'm so glad I'm not poor anymore. I'm tired of defending you people. If you want to be raped then go ahead. No impact on my life.
post #255 of 739
This is shocking.

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Obama further alters 'you can keep your plan' pledge

President Obama continues to alter his signature promise in selling the Affordable Care Act back in 2009 and 2010.

"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan," he said back then.

But that simple pledge has had to change as the Affordable Care Act has been implemented and a small percentage of Americans, albeit millions of people, have received cancellation notices from their insurance companies. And for the second time in two weeks, he's tweaked the line.

When President Obama spoke Monday night to a group of supporters, he said: "While virtually every insurer is offering new, better plans and competing for these folks' business, I realize that can be scary for people if you just get some notice like that."

"If you had or have one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really like that plan, what we said was, you could keep it if hasn't changed since the law's passed," added Obama.

So to let him be clear...
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But it turns out the president didn't have the power to make that pledge. As insurance companies upgrade plans to comply with new Obamacare coverage rules, they are dropping plans for potentially millions of Americans who buy their insurance on the individual health insurance market.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/05/obama-further-refines-you-can-keep-your-plan-pledge/?hpt=hp_c2
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