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post #181 of 739
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Man Who Understands 8% Of Obamacare Vigorously Defends It From Man Who Understands 5%

Ah, The Onion. Not everyday you see them making fun of liberal positions.
post #182 of 739
Well, to be fair, the liberal knew 3% more than his opponent; they couldn't even fully break character for a minute.

It probably would have been funnier (and more accurate) if they had replaced "Daniel Seaver" and "Alex Crawford" with, say, Barbara Boxer and Tom Coburn.
post #183 of 739
It's cool to finally see the HIXs kick off. I was staffed on a project on HIXs back in April and one of the biggest frustrations we had was the unsurprising lack of data to use to draw conclusions.

I'm with Piob, though. We're going to need at least another 2-3 years to see how the system works and how employers and individuals adopt the HIXs.

One thing's for sure, though: young, healthy people are getting fucked for premiums.

DAMN YOU BOOMERS!
post #184 of 739
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

It's cool to finally see the HIXs kick off. I was staffed on a project on HIXs back in April and one of the biggest frustrations we had was the unsurprising lack of data to use to draw conclusions.

insurance costs under obama, indeed
post #185 of 739
http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/

Are you poor enough to qualify for a health care subsidy? Use your $1,000 laptop, or your $1,200 a year smartphone to find out.
post #186 of 739
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

It's cool to finally see the HIXs kick off. I was staffed on a project on HIXs back in April and one of the biggest frustrations we had was the unsurprising lack of data to use to draw conclusions.

I'm with Piob, though. We're going to need at least another 2-3 years to see how the system works and how employers and individuals adopt the HIXs.

One thing's for sure, though: young, healthy people are getting fucked for premiums.

DAMN YOU BOOMERS!

The important thing is no one lets lack of data stop them from drawing by-God-impossible-to-refute conclusions.
post #187 of 739
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/

Are you poor enough to qualify for a health care subsidy? Use your $1,000 laptop, or your $1,200 a year smartphone to find out.

Poor enough?
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post #189 of 739

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Kohn
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Kohn is an unpaid contributor for the Fox News Channel
post #190 of 739
I'm surprised they keep publishing her material.
post #191 of 739
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

I'm surprised they keep publishing her material.

I think this is why they call themselves "fair and balanced"

Meanwhile, I love how she cites Medicare and Medicaid as "highly successful" - I think if anyone believed that, we would have gone with the Medicare for all solution.
post #192 of 739
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRon View Post

I think this is why they call themselves "fair and balanced"

Meanwhile, I love how she cites Medicare and Medicaid as "highly successful" - I think if anyone believed that, we would have gone with the Medicare for all solution.

Oh god I hate that "Medicare for all" thing.
post #193 of 739
I thought you were a fan of medicare for all with allowance for a secondary private market where people could pay more for better quicker treatment

So Chicagoron when you say successful are you referring to where she calls it effective and popular? Because medicare is indeed widely supported across multiple swaths of the population as shown in multiple studies. Medicaid is less popular but the core concept is widely supported. Effectiveness is far more difficult to ascertain. What markers and goals would medicare have to hit for you to agree that it is effective? Patients are highly satisfied with their treatment. Doctors are less satisfied with the payments and although the acceptance rate for medicare is lower than private insurance the vast majority of doctors you meet will accept medicare. IMO the payments are fair as they've considered margins for material cost, human capital cost, profit for business, geographical differences in cost of living and the amount paid out is still higher than in the vast majority of countries

I'm sure piobaire could point out wrongs in my statement but this is my impression.

This efficient market argument you put out just doesn't work in this case and I would argue in a lot of real world cases. High effectiveness and appeal don't always cause policy ideas to be adopted as there are many more aspects that need to be faced. One example I can think of is the disclose act which had high appeal among the populations and previous similar but lesser laws had good effectiveness and even passed the house and had a majority vote, in fact one vote away from 60, in the senate but got stalled at cloture.


I'm very bad at writing. I should ask l'incandescent or erictheobscure to train me
post #194 of 739
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Kohn
The first few times I saw her I was quite certain she was a man.
post #195 of 739
i don't agree with much of what he says, but indsertum makes one very good point.
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