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post #136 of 739
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What's the matter? You don't like your choices? These are governmental approved eateries for you. Don't question authority.

I prefer to stop at the one with the Popeye's
post #137 of 739



"I'm so glad my employer cancelled my insurance plan. Now I get to shop at the exchange and choose my own coverage. And look at all the CHOICES I have!"
post #138 of 739
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRon View Post

Sorry to pick on you Harvey - but this is one of my serious hot buttons. Much like the way gun nuts kill their own case with stupid memes and ill informed arguments, the people who were against Obamacare because it is bad policy were hurt by lunatics who made it about birth control and abortion. I understand why some people are upset by tax-funded abortions (not really birth control though), but it's polarizing and it adds NOTHING to the argument against tax-funded insurance anyway - so why bother?

I don't know if it actually hurt. It probably got some people who were on the fence about we need free healthcare for everyone, but they are opposed to abortions. I can't imagine there are many people who go, "No, I don't think Obamacare is okay, but wait, free abortions, I'm for it now."

It still baffles me that Obamacare is even debateable in this country much less can pass. Then again, I can't believe the police can take your DNA without a warrant or a million other things.
post #139 of 739
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

I don't know if it actually hurt. It probably got some people who were on the fence about we need free healthcare for everyone, but they are opposed to abortions. I can't imagine there are many people who go, "No, I don't think Obamacare is okay, but wait, free abortions, I'm for it now."

It still baffles me that Obamacare is even debateable in this country much less can pass. Then again, I can't believe the police can take your DNA without a warrant or a million other things.

Not what I'm saying.

I'm saying there are a lot of people who are somewhat ill informed. They hear from the MSM and the left that Obama Care will not burden tax payers with additional costs, reduce your level of service, etc. and that it will lower costs.

There are a good number of dissenting opinions to that message, but a great deal of people tune them out as soon as they hear the words abortion and birth control. So the masses stay ill-informed, or tend to hear the bias from the left.
post #140 of 739
I see the administration has put off implementing employer mandate for one year. So what focus group expert figured this would hurt the Dems chances to take over Congress in the mid-term elections? And does Obama really have that power? Can the administration just decide not to implement on a timeline in the bill?
post #141 of 739
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I see the administration has put off implementing employer mandate for one year. So what focus group expert figured this would hurt the Dems chances to take over Congress in the mid-term elections? And does Obama really have that power? Can the administration just decide not to implement on a timeline in the bill?

If only the number were correct...

post #142 of 739
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Originally Posted by zarathustra View Post

If only the number were correct...

What number is that?
post #143 of 739
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

What number is that?

2105 for implementation.
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Freudian slip? laugh.gif
post #145 of 739
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Lawmakers and staff can breathe easy — their health care tab is not going to soar next year.
The Office of Personnel Management, under heavy pressure from Capitol Hill, will issue a ruling that says the government can continue to make a contribution to the health care premiums of members of Congress and their aides, according to several Hill sources.
Just Wednesday, POLITICO reported that President Barack Obama told Democratic senators that he was personally involved in finding a solution.
The problem was rooted in the original text of the Affordable Care Act. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) inserted a provision which said members of Congress and their aides must be covered by plans “created” by the law or “offered through an exchange.” Until now, OPM had not said if the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program could contribute premium payments toward plans on the exchange. If payments stopped, lawmakers and aides would have faced thousands of dollars in additional premium payments each year. Under the old system, the government contributed nearly 75 percent of premium payments.
Obama’s involvement in solving this impasse was unusual, to say the least. But it came after serious griping from both sides of the aisle about the potential of a “brain drain.” The fear, as told by sources in both parties, was that aides would head for more lucrative jobs, spooked by the potential for spiking health premiums.
There was a certain sense of urgency, too, since enrollment in the exchanges was set to begin Oct. 1. There were discussions of a legislative fix — attaching language to a must-pass bill to fix the problem. But that would’ve been too difficult in today’s paralyzed Washington.
White House officials acknowledged that a fix was needed. But they knew that once they dealt with it through a regulation, some Republicans would use it against them – even though most of their party was privately obsessing over it.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), in a statement Thursday night, touted the law’s benefits and Democrats’ efforts to educate consumers.
“Members of Congress and their staffs must enroll in health marketplaces as the Affordable Care Act requires,” she wrote. “As we continue our work to ensure the smooth implementation of this law and look forward to the start of enrollment on October 1st, we will continue our efforts this August to educate consumers on the law’s provisions and tout the critical benefits already in place for millions of Americans.”
Anger was already evident as well. Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas) tweeted a link to POLITICO’s story Thursday night, with the comment: “Outrageous exemption for Congress.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/capitol-hill-obamacare-crisis-solved-95100.html#ixzz2ayPI12pV


I for one am glad that our betters will continue to enjoy health coverage at a lower cost and with a better quality of service than the rest of us.
post #146 of 739
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

I for one am glad that our betters will continue to enjoy health coverage at a lower cost and with a better quality of service than the rest of us.

Someone should sue: that is in direct violation of the law.
post #147 of 739
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Someone should sue: that is in direct violation of the law.

Doubtful anybody has standing to challenge it.

And why would you want to deny your betters their fundamental human right to better health care than you receive?
post #148 of 739
I'm really excited to see how the health insurance exchanges play out, especially with regards to how the public vs. private HIXs will evolve over time.

So far, the news on exchanges I've seen lately seem pretty positive and I'm actually really shocked that a lot of the public exchanges might actually have their shit together by 2014.
post #149 of 739
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Doubtful anybody has standing to challenge it.

And why would you want to deny your betters their fundamental human right to better health care than you receive?

California doesn't seem to believe in it too much, they made their Obamacare call center employees part-time: http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/30/obamacare-call-center-baits-and-switches

It isn't just California either: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/health-care-law-is-tied-to-new-caps-on-work-hours-for-part-timers/2013/07/23/e6272544-e96a-11e2-aa9f-c03a72e2d342_story.html
post #150 of 739
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

I'm really excited to see how the health insurance exchanges play out, especially with regards to how the public vs. private HIXs will evolve over time.

So far, the news on exchanges I've seen lately seem pretty positive and I'm actually really shocked that a lot of the public exchanges might actually have their shit together by 2014.

How is the weather on Pluto? I know they declassified you guys as a planet but I still respect you.
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