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post #76 of 105
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Originally Posted by RJman
Yes, but they won't be as reasonable as plal. That's my point. Hell, for Edward Greens you could go to Alan Flusser for the whole enchilada -- special last, special designs, special trees, special bags and pay a specially high price.

I conveniently forgot the part about paying bust out retail for them. Still, Green should stand behind the commitment that one of its agents made and then, if they wish, bow out gracefully.
post #77 of 105
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Originally Posted by hopkins_student
In my opinion EG would be wise to open up more to retailers who can provide their product to areas where it does not currently exist. If any store in LA (BH Polo does not count) sold EG shoes I'd likely have a pair right now. I understand I could order them from Sky Valet, but I have no way to try the shoe on beforehand and don't want to go through the added expense of multiple shippings back and forth to find the right size. I'm also very disappointed by the behavior on the part of EG...as a result I'll likely end up with a pair of Lobbs before a pair of EGs.


It funny being new I'm learing a lot and probably evident, but this post by hopkins_student seems to sums up exactly how I felt when I first read the subject of this thread.

Not to change topics but I've wondering if LA will get a real shoe store like Sky Valet or a Pro Football team first. The couple of times I've called Sky Valet I tried to talk them into expanding to the west coast but with no luck.
post #78 of 105
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Originally Posted by Flip
Not to change topics but I've wondering if LA will get a real shoe store like Sky Valet or a Pro Football team first. The couple of times I've called Sky Valet I tried to talk them into expanding to the west coast but with no luck.

To go off on a tangent, L.A. is great for shoes if you are into sneakers or fashion forward designer stuff. If you want Paciotti or Carpe Diem boots or Bikkembergs sneakers, you're in luck. I just don't think that the market is there for English shoes the way there is in NYC, for example. I could see a J.M Weston surviving in the Golden Triangle area, or even a Lattanzi, but EG, C&J, even John Lobb, I see a rather small clientele for. Dress codes are uniformly relaxed in pretty much every industry, and when there is a call for dress up, professional Angelenos tend to be a lot more fashion forward (read that how you wish) than professionals on the East Coast, with a distinct preference for Italian styles, in both clothing and accessories.
post #79 of 105
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Originally Posted by LA Guy
To go off on a tangent, L.A. is great for shoes if you are into sneakers or fashion forward designer stuff. If you want Paciotti or Carpe Diem boots or Bikkembergs sneakers, you're in luck. I just don't think that the market is there for English shoes the way there is in NYC, for example. I could see a J.M Weston surviving in the Golden Triangle area, or even a Lattanzi, but EG, C&J, even John Lobb, I see a rather small clientele for. Dress codes are uniformly relaxed in pretty much every industry, and when there is a call for dress up, professional Angelenos tend to be a lot more fashion forward (read that how you wish) than professionals on the East Coast, with a distinct preference for Italian styles, in both clothing and accessories.


You're probably right but if one ever did open up I'd do everything I could to support it.

Sorry for the off topic post.
post #80 of 105
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Originally Posted by RJman
I hear sysdoc's legal team has some time on their hands...

If they are able to sign up clients with the same legal understanding that sysdoc exhibited, they should be able to make a great deal of money - in any currency. IIRC, sysdoc notified us that he was an International Publisher. Of course, anything written by someone in Kenya, posted on a web site, and that is downloaded one time in China has gone international. Anyone who would soak $1,000+ shoes in Chlorine bleach has "problems".
post #81 of 105
"Problems" being one thing, and not becoming too enthralled with money and material goods being something else entirely.
post #82 of 105
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Originally Posted by tiger02
"Problems" being one thing, and not becoming too enthralled with money and material goods being something else entirely.


I'm not "enthralled" with material goods. I just want to acquire them at the lowest possible price. Leaving me with more money to donate to charities for homeless hookers needing whiskey.
post #83 of 105
Actually, to me this all kind of adds to the thrill of the whole thing. I kind of feel like I'm on a search to hunt down the best deals and get the best bargains and the best goods at the best prices before a particular loophole is closed up. When that loophole is closed up we just continue hunting and looking for the next hole that we can exploit to get something for cheaper than everyone else is getting it for or to find something that the other guy just can't get period. Maybe this makes me a bad person, who knows, but I don't really care. To me, it's the thrill of the hunt.
post #84 of 105
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Originally Posted by odoreater
Actually, to me this all kind of adds to the thrill of the whole thing. I kind of feel like I'm on a search to hunt down the best deals and get the best bargains and the best goods at the best prices before a particular loophole is closed up. When that loophole is closed up we just continue hunting and looking for the next hole that we can exploit to get something for cheaper than everyone else is getting it for or to find something that the other guy just can't get period. Maybe this makes me a bad person, who knows, but I don't really care. To me, it's the thrill of the hunt.

This just makes you a smart shopper. I don't see a problem with it. I'd do the same thing if I weren't too lazy to go looking.
post #85 of 105
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Originally Posted by skalogre
Does anyone have more pics of the E.G. Walcot? I just noticed it on the Plal site and it really intrigues me. Not that I would be able to afford it anytime soon though
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Originally Posted by aportnoy
Courtesy of iammatt...It's the shoe on the left in edwardian. I have one coming myself.
Wasn't this shoe previously referred to as Holcot? I remember this photo of the Rye and the wholecut adelaide called Holcot from a couple of months back. Those of you who are looking for the website of LA Botte Chantilly, here it is: http://www.la-botte.com/index.shtml As for Plal, I think indeed they did get a raw deal. But it won't make me stop buying Edward Green, as others have expressed. First, I would have to travel to Paris or London to try on JLP. I would then buy my first pair there and hope my size surfaces on eBay. Secondly, Lobb's Prestige line costs about 40% more than standard Green. I don't know if this difference in price is justified by an equally big increase in quality. I like the leather uppers of EG and for me paying 300 EUR extra for a "bevelled waist" is a bit too much. Neither, I believe, is truly handmade, and the step from 1000-1100 EUR for Lobb Paris to 1200 EUR + for Kiton or 1600 EUR for Lattanzi is somehow smaller for me than that from Green to JLP. Lastly, there are two excellent shoe stores in my country that sell Edward Green. The people who work there are very nice, very knowledgeable and enjoy talking about their products immensely. So I learn from them (I take from them) and in return I give back by buying from them. Perhaps when I am past all that - finished my education so to speak -, I will start looking for deals on the internet too, but for now I am quite content to buy my shoes in a B&M store. Also, I always buy MTO.
post #86 of 105
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Originally Posted by UR003
Wasn't this shoe previously referred to as Holcot? I remember this photo of the Rye and the wholecut adelaide called Holcot from a couple of months back.

You are correct! I asked Hilary about this very thing at the Saks EG trunk show this month. She said that the name "Holcot" had people thinking that the shoe was a "wholecut" ala the Newbury so a name change was necessary. So the Holcot became the Walcot.
post #87 of 105
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Originally Posted by LA Guy
To go off on a tangent, L.A. is great for shoes if you are into sneakers or fashion forward designer stuff. If you want Paciotti or Carpe Diem boots or Bikkembergs sneakers, you're in luck. I just don't think that the market is there for English shoes the way there is in NYC, for example. I could see a J.M Weston surviving in the Golden Triangle area, or even a Lattanzi, but EG, C&J, even John Lobb, I see a rather small clientele for. Dress codes are uniformly relaxed in pretty much every industry, and when there is a call for dress up, professional Angelenos tend to be a lot more fashion forward (read that how you wish) than professionals on the East Coast, with a distinct preference for Italian styles, in both clothing and accessories.

What, pray tell, is the "Golden Triangle" area? I have never heard the term applied to LA shopping before, and I have lived in the Greater Los Angeles area for about 57 of my 64 years. Neither has my wife, who is a very regular customer at top-end retail establishments. There are a few venues in the Beverly Hills area where high-end English shoes may be had--the Polo Shop (C&J, EG), Barney's (C&J--both handgrade and benchgrade), Neiman-Marcus (JLP). The Hermes shops at the BH and South Coast locations stock a few JLP-made Hermes shoes. However, the selections at all these venues are very limited.
post #88 of 105
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Originally Posted by JLibourel
What, pray tell, is the "Golden Triangle" area? I have never heard the term applied to LA shopping before, and I have lived in the Greater Los Angeles area for about 57 of my 64 years. Neither has my wife, who is a very regular customer at top-end retail establishments. There are a few venues in the Beverly Hills area where high-end English shoes may be had--the Polo Shop (C&J, EG), Barney's (C&J--both handgrade and benchgrade), Neiman-Marcus (JLP). The Hermes shops at the BH and South Coast locations stock a few JLP-made Hermes shoes. However, the selections at all these venues are very limited.

Oh, I've always heard the term applied to the area starting at the intersection of Wilshire and Rodeo. Yes, I know that there is a limited selection of high end English shoes at certain locations, but I wouldn't bet on there being a really large customer base for that type of footwear, based purely on the limited selection at the Wilshire Barney's and NM compared to their NYC counterparts, and the dearth of "old school" stores, like Carroll & Co., compared to the many Fred Segal/Ron Herman wannabees, Maxfields, and Scout LAs. I could be totally off though.
post #89 of 105
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Originally Posted by LA Guy
Oh, I've always heard the term applied to the area starting at the intersection of Wilshire and Rodeo. Yes, I know that there is a limited selection of high end English shoes at certain locations, but I wouldn't bet on there being a really large customer base for that type of footwear, based purely on the limited selection at the Wilshire Barney's and NM compared to their NYC counterparts, and the dearth of "old school" stores, like Carroll & Co., compared to the many Fred Segal/Ron Herman wannabees, Maxfields, and Scout LAs. I could be totally off though.

I'm guessing you're right. The majority of the L.A. shoppers are more likely to be into the flashier products and probably couldn't appreciate the quality of high end shoes beyond the high price tags. As others have alluded to, L.A. is really more of a sneaker town.
post #90 of 105
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Originally Posted by Mute
I'm guessing you're right. The majority of the L.A. shoppers are more likely to be into the flashier products and probably couldn't appreciate the quality of high end shoes beyond the high price tags. As others have alluded to, L.A. is really more of a sneaker town.

I think that to characterize Angelenos as unable to appreciate the quality of high end shoes is probably unfair. That there is, in general, more emphasis on directional fashion is probably a better way to put it. Just because someone understands that John Lobb quality doesn't mean that he has to subscribe to the JL aesthetic. For example, I appreciate the handiwork in Oxxford suits, but find even their newest cuts to be a cure for insomnia. Give me a minimalist Helmut Lang suit or an aggressive Dolce & Gabbana suit any day, poorer quality notwithstanding.
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