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post #106 of 117
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Originally Posted by faustian bargain
as a member of the 4% minority of americans who don't believe in a god, i think i have every right to feel that my way of thinking is threatened by the majority. be that as it may, i realize that we secularists are allowed to exist culturally by the good grace of those (moderate) believers who constitute the vast majority of our culture.

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and i do enjoy my 'quest'. i'm happy you've found the truth and no longer feel the need to question. wonder what it would be like if everyone were like that. probably a world full of people who think they're right and everyone else is wrong. oh wait...

i also wonder why i never heard this stuff about the questions of authorship of the bible in sunday school growing up. scholarship never seemed to be very important at church.

like i said, it's true because you believe it, not the other way around.
It is the Christian West where the freedom to enjoy your quest emerged.

As for asking questions, I ask them all the time, but that's not incompatible with confidence and faith. You claim to be on a quest for truth, yet ultimately deny such a thing can exist. Of course I think I'm right. If I didn't, I would hold different views. You clearly think you are right--although you cloak it as a "quest for truth"--but that's okay apparently. I would expect you to think you're right. But the group that has shown real hostility and condescension in this thread are those who disbelieve the Bible. I do understand why people are skeptics, that doesn't mean I have to be one.

And it is true, whether you believe it or not.
post #107 of 117
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It is the Christian West where the freedom to enjoy your quest emerged.
How is the west Christian? I fail to see how logic allows you to outright proclaim an entire civilization (which went through many religious revelations) as Christian. And further, when the population and the civilization have developed so much where atheism and other religions are accepted in society, the religion receives the credit? There are many developments that western society has gone through (technological, political, economical) which have helped it become a (relatively) peaceful and socially progressive society - I fail to see how religion is to credit for any of those, except as a form of propaganda - a catalyst to allow those in power to smoothen the introduction of the developments. The "Christian" west is not the only place in the world where freedom of religion is important and atheism is accepted.
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As for asking questions, I ask them all the time, but that's not incompatible with confidence and faith. You claim to be on a quest for truth, yet ultimately deny such a thing can exist.
What is the point in asking questions if you know from the start that when you decide you don't know the answer, you just pull the "confidence and faith" card?
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You clearly think you are right--although you cloak it as a "quest for truth"--but that's okay apparently. I would expect you to think you're right.
I can't speak for Faustian, but it seems we're eye to eye on this one... I don't know where anyone got the idea where we're convinced we're right. I don't know the truth - that's why it's a quest and a process. I don't think I'm right, the only thing I'm certain about is that I have no proof to be certain about anything, and if I never find proof then that's fine. Does that mean that the proof doesn't exist? No, but I'm not going to blindly rely on an old book of fables as truth and settle into it, shutting out reason and logic that speak against it, and just rely on faith alone to convince me that I'm right and this is the truth.
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And it is true, whether you believe it or not.
Do you not understand how silly of a statement this is?
post #108 of 117
BTW, Faustian, I'm working on Buddhism right now. Not sure if I'm going to find the truth but I'll let you know if the quest ends anytime soon. Although I hear to be a real buddhist you can't buy $500 jeans.
post #109 of 117
Brian, it's amazing how much you know for someone who claims he can't know anything.
post #110 of 117
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Originally Posted by AlanC
Brian, it's amazing how much you know for someone who claims he can't know anything.

Good point. I should have said that regarding the creation, destiny, metaphysical existence and reason for existence of humankind, I admit that I know nothing.
post #111 of 117
Genius is the ability to articulate mortality.
post #112 of 117
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Originally Posted by Brian SD
BTW, Faustian, I'm working on Buddhism right now. Not sure if I'm going to find the truth but I'll let you know if the quest ends anytime soon.

Although I hear to be a real buddhist you can't buy $500 jeans.

If I am not mistaken, this would have been Einstein's religion of choice, had he been religious. A couple of years ago I read The Art of Happiness, I could sum up ~200 pages in one word. Nirvana can only be attained once one transcends the physical but $500 jeans are a pretty good reason to stay plugged in I would say.
post #113 of 117
i watched the film on fri...it was shite - murky cinematography, fairly poor performances, clunky script, constant boring fucking orchestral score to slam home what you should be "feeling" throughout the whole film, zero chemistry between the leads - they might of well been in different films, consistently jarring and fractured narrative indicative of shit loads being left on the cutting room floor, it flitted between being offensively patronising and frustratingly vague. 3/10 (just)
post #114 of 117
The Da Vinci Code- an overblown tv movie.

Still anything that makes the RC church uncomfortable is fine by me.
post #115 of 117
i saw it, thought it was ok. unremarkable, but ok. i did really enjoy the book though.
post #116 of 117
Don't mean to pile on Alan, but many Bible literalists ignore the fact that the Catholic Church (as depicted in the DaVinci Code, albeit in black and white) decided what was to be in the Bible at the Council of Nicea, and what was not. There were a huge number of gospels which were not included, perhaps as many as 76, and no one really knows what they said.

It is also quite easy (and scholarly) to interpret what is in the current gospels a completely different way- vis a vis The Course in Miracles.

Could not this be truth as well?

Just because something's been interpreted a certain way for hundreds or thousands of years does not make it true.
post #117 of 117
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Originally Posted by Steve B.
Don't mean to pile on Alan, but many Bible literalists ignore the fact that the Catholic Church (as depicted in the DaVinci Code, albeit in black and white) decided what was to be in the Bible at the Council of Nicea, and what was not. There were a huge number of gospels which were not included, perhaps as many as 76, and no one really knows what they said.

It is also quite easy (and scholarly) to interpret what is in the current gospels a completely different way- vis a vis The Course in Miracles.

Could not this be truth as well?

Just because something's been interpreted a certain way for hundreds or thousands of years does not make it true.

Indeed. But, good luck convincing people.

Jon.
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