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Thread Starter 
Does anyone find it interesting that investment bankers and consultants like to dress well, and that individuals who dress well like to be investment bankers and consultants?
post #2 of 10
I think it's more interesting that you think that I-bankers dress well.
post #3 of 10
Maybe there is a correlation between wealth and dressing well. Having more money means you can afford more stylish, better constructed, and better tailored clothing. Investment bankers and consultants make good money.
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I think I-Bankers are nice dresser also.I can't think of any other field where people are so consistantly well dressed.I did my summer internship at one in N.Y and I was in awe.
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Sometimes people choose careers based on what they will wear. Some people I've known have said that they want to have a job in which they'll wear a suit to work. Others like to be seen in scrubs or a physician's jacket. One guy I know even plays flag football in scrubs because he wants it to be known that he's a med school graduate.
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Much has to do with the impression one needs to make in their profession. If you are a software engineer then cutoffs and sandals are just peachy. If, however, you go to visit a financial advisor, an attorney to handle that little triple murder charge or someone with whom you are doing critical business you want to feel secure. When you meet to decide whether to invest your child's college fund, do you want a guy in a conservative suit, dress shirt and tie or a guy wearing a Mickey Mouse tie and short sleeved polyester dress shirt? I rest my case. At one time I was in a position where I was dealing with gentleman 15-30 years older than I was in upper management positions. Before asking them to write a $5M check I learned to dress like them. Sometimes you will hear people say that it is silly to judge a man based on his attire and presentation but silly or not - it matters. You get only one shot at a first impression - coming across as solid, reliable and self-assured DOES make the right impression in business. Better to start off on the right foot. When you are dressed well and know it you will make a stronger impression - in part due to the attire, in larger part due to the confidance you will feel from being well dressed. ...is there anything more disconcerting than to walk into a situation where you are underdressed? You can always remove your jacket and tie, rollup your sleeve a tad and blend in when overdressed... if underdressed you are in trouble.
post #7 of 10
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To extend my initial post: I've been in investment banks, and eventhough I've worked and will be working in one in the future, my position in the bank is an internal one which does not require me to interact with external clients. I've never felt that I measured up to those i-bankers. And I think part of it is that they're wearing suits and I'm wearing business casual. Given the chance, I'd like to wear suits everyday to work eventhough my position did not/will not require it, but I know this will not play well with my colleagues/managers. I really can't understand why people like my colleagues are so excited about dressing down/business casual, or why the general public feels that one is stuffy in a suit, or that wearing a t-shirt and a pair of khakis is comfortable. I actually feel more comfortable in my MTM shirt and my MTM light wool trousers. I find it offensive when people ask "Why are you so dressed up?" or "Why do you dress so well?". I find that almost rude ... especially when it is said in a "you're not our kind of guy... you think you're better than us" way. More often than not, I suspect that those who ask such questions are in fact internally embarassed of their poor dressing. If you want to dress poorly, fine, but do not ask me to lower my standards of dress just to make you look "relatively" alright, and thus save you the effort of dressing well. In some places [colleges come to mind], some people actually think it is cool NOT to care about dressing well, as though one is above that. Dressing up is seen as being "stuck up". I am perplexed; I think it boils down to a lack of respect ... for one self, for the ocassion, for others. A prominent professor invited my seminar class (~12 students) to dinner at his house one night. I thought of wearing a suit and tie but did not. I wore a black shirt and dark wool pants, with a black cotton sweater. I actually was the best dressed. One student showed up in athletic gear, and another one in the typical, awful, I-just-need-to-cover-my-body-with-SOMETHING grey-heather-t-shirt-and-faded-jeans combos. I can't help but ask .... what were these people thinking? I doubt any one bothered to send a thank you note after dinner. This is not a money/education issue; as the college is of considerable repute. This is an attitude issue.
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More often than not, I suspect that those who ask such questions are in fact internally embarassed of their poor dressing.
I doubt it. Ultimately, I think that it boils down to what style tribe your allegiance is to. Simon Doonan of Barney's wrote a funny article about this sometime back. Most guys are "dirtbags", including myself. A lot of guys on this forum, and Simon Doonan himself, are "dandies", who love cuff links and pocket squares. And the final category was "fascists", his example being Thom Brown, who adhere to very severe rules. I would say that a lot of guys who are interested in "style", and who vehemently distinguish between fashion and, are probably hybrid fascist/dandies. Personally, I like the look of a suit, provided it's worn for fun and not for business (think Dre from Outkast rather than Michael Douglas of Wall Street, but would much rather go about in a Helmut Lang hoodie and fancy jeans and sneakers. It is just my personal preference.
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I would say that a lot of guys who are interested in "style", and who vehemently distinguish between fashion and [style], are probably hybrid fascist/dandies.
I guess I am in that category, which also includes tendencies towards fashion contrarianism (let's write a dissertation here). I follow fashion to know what not to wear, and get mildly pissed off when the stuff I've been buying from thrift stores and wearing for the last couple of years starts showing up in the malls and then on every trend-following frat boy around (for example, the "new" western shirt trend). I don't know why, but I think au courant is generally the least stylish possible option. This is why things hide in my closet for that day when they are again unpopular. I am weird, I know. It doesn't leave me without options, but it does limit the more interesting avant garde stuff I might want to do to that which everyone else cannot go buy at Nordstrom. I am an anti-snob, and in being one, I am a snob and probably a fascist as well (ref. the labels on scarves thread). It doesn't make me lose sleep at night... no worries.
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By the way, I wanted to have a job where I could wear suits every day, so I started the Style Forum. HA. Oh right, I don't get paid.
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