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post #46 of 54
11/25/09 at 4:46am
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Originally Posted by odoreater View Post
I would add that there is probably some licensing authority that grants this person a license to do what they do.


Yes.
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post #47 of 54
11/25/09 at 4:55am
Someone who would make her feel superior to be dating when talking to her friends. Other than a rock star, actor, edmorel, etc.
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post #48 of 54
11/25/09 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by Chiaroscuro View Post
So if I am a photographer with 20+ years of experience, a mastery of all photographic skills, and my own successful studio. I cant be considered a "professional b/c I dont have a degree? That sounds fukking stoopid

Sorry, but you don't have a profession, you have a trade.
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post #49 of 54
11/25/09 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
I learned, in the course of my Engineering education that what distinguishes a "professional" from mere mortals is that a member of a profession has a special obligation to his client because he has privileged knowledge upon which the wellbeing (physical or spiritual) of his clients depends. In Canada, at least, professions are limited to: Engineer, Physician, Lawyer, Clergy.

Ha! Wikipedia agrees with me:

" A profession is a vocation founded upon specialised educational training, the purpose of which is to supply disinterested counsel and service to others, for a direct and definite compensation, wholly apart from expectation of other business gain."

I remember that the last part was important. Very Confucian - mercantilism is seen as base.

I think you left some Canadian professions out

I know it used to be that a lawyer, doctor or Chartered Accountant (3 professionals) were allowed to sign passports (not necessary anymore) in Canada. I believe land surveyors are professionals as well.

not sure about clergy though
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post #50 of 54
11/25/09 at 11:12pm
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Originally Posted by odoreater View Post
I would add that there is probably some licensing authority that grants this person a license to do what they do.

dingdingding

PE exam, Bar exam, USMLE, ARE, ...
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post #51 of 54
11/25/09 at 11:26pm
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
All of those have a very material amount of emphasis on manual labour or physicality. I think the basic difference is a "professional" necessarily must mainly use his/her smarts to perform. Anything that involved a high level of physicality or manual labour, is intrinsically not "professional."
I maintain that there is a significantly high degree of physical work involved in multilevel spinal fusions for neurosurgery to be considered manual labor. Enough about that, now that I've protected my blue collar cred and am most assuredly not a professional it's time to get back to that PBR.
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post #52 of 54
11/26/09 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post
Guys, we know what the trad definition of a professional is and we obviously don't give a fuck about what the supreme court thinks (haha only lawyers included, only a lawyer would say that shit). Most people using the word today mean a white collar worker w. a graduate degree.

Fuuma, I dont necessarily disagree with this, but I've always considered it to be someone who does a specific job for a living.

Such as racing, I've done it on a sportsman level, but one doesnt need a graduate degree to become a Professional race car driver. It applies well to other forms of making a living that many would do as a hobby, such as a photography, cooking, hitman. Though I've never heard of a hobbyist hitman, i assume they have existed.

It doesnt apply well to the trades, I've never heard anyone use the term Professional ironworker, who wasnt under the influence.

For what its worth I've never heard anyone with a graduate degree refer to themselves as a professional.

So so far it applies well to Hitmen, Race Car Drivers and Photographers, and possibly pastry chefs.
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post #53 of 54
11/26/09 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by Viktri View Post
I think you left some Canadian professions out

I know it used to be that a lawyer, doctor, licensed Engineer or Chartered Accountant (3 professionals) were allowed to sign passports (not necessary anymore) in Canada. I believe land surveyors are professionals as well.

not sure about clergy though

FTFY
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post #54 of 54
11/26/09 at 3:32pm
A pro video gamer is a pro.


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physician, clergy, lawyer, military officer and (I can't remember the fifth).
These classical 'proffessions' are right. Military officer used to be a gentleman's job.
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