For anyone out there who isn't a seasoned fantasy sports player and doesn't understand what Steve did wrong: A: Trades don't just happen at random. Usually, in my case, I go back and forth with another team for a while before we reach an agreement. In the case of my latest trade, we offered players back and forth twice for three or four days before we reached a suitable agreement to both of us. Seeing as both teams have agreed to trade the players mentioned and know exactly who they are giving up and who they are getting, unless it is so obviously one sided as to be suspicious, (see collusion) the trade should stand. Outsiders should feel free to voice your opinion on the trade, but attempting to block it at that point is done out of selfishness. The blocking team feels that if the trade goes through, it will hurt them in the rankings. They are not concerned out of "fairness" to either of the teams involved, they are concerned with themselves and the effect on THEIR team. B: He trumpeted on and on about it not being a "fair trade". And my response was "so what"? Even though the best trades add to each team (as I believe was the case with my trade) it's always possible that one team comes out better than the other (in fact, we all tend to try for this anyway). This is not an abomination. It is not unfair. It is an outcome to be expected in any game that features human people playing against other human people (see also Major League Baseball). The only "unfair trades" are trades of collusion, where a team out of contention contacts another team IN contention to unload all his desirable players for next to nothing in return, or a team in contention taking advantage of someone who no longer cares about their team. This can rapidly destroy competition, and this is the reason why the "Trade Veto" option exists. Not for attempting to ensure that all the other teams in the league are being run to your approval. Not to punish people for making a trade to better themselves while you sat on your hands until you saw a trade you wish you could have made, but didn't. "Trade fairness" is the number one red-herring thrown out by people who are looking out for their self-interests by trying to screw with your team. This is a bad thing because you don't have to do anything but click a button to invalidate what is probably in many cases, a lengthy process of trade proposal/rejection/counteroffer/rejection/counteroffer...etc. You are not trying to make your team better, but to hold everyone who is working to be better back. The sportsmanlike way to win a contest is to try and be better than your opponent, not to try and trip him when you see the opportunity. As far as "fairness" is concerned, no trades should be vetoed except for obvious cases of collusion between teams in contention and teams who have ceased to care. Anyone can trade for/away anyone they thing will make their team better/don't think they need. The arbitration happens between the two teams involved in the bargaining process. Then, they have to live with the consequences of their decisions. THAT is fair. This is the way SF fantasy sports have been played for the last FOUR YEARS without incident until Steve decided he didn't have to play that way anymore. C: Say, for the sake of argument, trades need to be fair and veto power is necessary. (which they do not, and in most cases is not) How does it make sense that the other ten teams, with an obvious vested interest, are the arbiters? That'd be like one MLB manager voting down a trade between two other teams in his division. Vetoing a trade is an inherently unfair action, because everyone who would veto it is competing directly against the person who's transaction they are meddling in. My team only needs one manager. Me. If I make good trades for my team, I will improve it without sacrificing anything I'll miss. Likewise for everyone else. That's the point of trading, and is a SKILL that good managers possess . That is what makes trading so interesting in fantasy sports and in real life. There are no guarantees about player performance, regardless of past statistics. If I am in contention and want to trade Albert Pujols for Hank Blalock - I am doing so for a reason. Who out there is impartial enough, wise enough, or prescient enough to know better than me what I want to do with my team? Not Steve. Nobody can tell me that my reasons aren't "good enough" to believe that my hypothetical Blalock isn't going to explode statistically and be more fantasy relevant from here on out than Pujols. Why not? Because you don't know for sure that I am wrong! And yet, other teams, with only selfish motivations, and nothing vested one way or another in the actual transaction - get to tell me that I can or can't trade someone I have for someone I want? That's just an example - but were I to do so, that would be MY decision, MY risk to take, and likely my downfall or success. Who the hell are you to tell me that my gut feeling, statistical analysis, voodoo, or whatever it is I use to manage my team doesn't meet your approval? This is why the greatest "fairness" in trading, is to let it happen. D: Trade veto is clearly not used for what Steve was attempting to use it for. He voted to veto my trade, which by all accounts there was nothing wrong with, and then after the fact, came out gloating about his cleverness in sticking it to me and called for others to do the same. Luckily for me, most of the other people in the league can see through that level of inexcusable douchebaggery and unsportsmanlike conduct, but there are those of you out there that might be swayed by his talk of trades not being "fair" and get into the bad habit of vetoing trades you don't agree with. I am here to let you know that its a dickhead move, and people of any merit will decide not to play with you. It would be a different story (I suppose) if we had agreed to or had any history of people's trades being voted down arbitrarily - which is not the case. But at that point, why even bother making trades? If you have to tread on eggshells to trade away exactly the same level of talent that you receive - you might as well just keep the players you have. I expected more from Steve, especially since he's been playing this game as long as he has. And as I've pointed out, we've played together for four years without any kind of this underhanded shit being pulled. Maybe he's done it the whole time and just never copped to it until now. Who knows? I also expected that he'd apologize for trying to knife people in the back in order to better himself when it was discovered he was doing so. Well.. maybe I didn't expect that but I would have liked it, back when I brought it up. I also did NOT expect him to sit there and justify his unsportsmanlike conduct, try and obfuscate the issue, and place the blame on me - though I guess I should have. He's never to blame for anything, and he never does anything wrong. THAT is what Steve did wrong, and why it's a big deal. He knows it, despite all his protestations and excuses. He's just too stubborn (or genuinely an asshole) to admit he tried to bend or violate the unspoken, and yet generally agreed to rules of conduct for his own gain and got caught. Maybe he's truly in so much delusion that he doesn't think he did anything wrong - but then my question remains, if that's really the style of play he's "familiar with" - why has it happened exactly one time in four years, NOW, when he's close to being knocked out of contention due to his own mistakes and poor trades (which mysteriously, nobody vetoed), and one of the teams involved in the trade (Carpenterrorists) is one of the teams he's battling directly against for one of the last few playoff spots and the other team is mine? And no, Steve, I don't want to hear your excuses. This post is an informative one aimed at the people here who may not have the experience some of us do and are wondering what the hell just happened. Hopefully it will make someone out there a better fantasy sports player and a better sportsman overall. Not everyone is interested in taking advantage of people. You just provided a very nice example of the type of behavior that is generally not accepted in most serious fantasy leagues outside of whatever universe you live in.