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post #946 of 1044
Here is something from soccer365.com back on the 5th.

"While such rumors have been stirring since the U.S. failed to advance from group play at the World Cup, The Daily Telegraph is reporting that an anonymous American federation official said a deal was in the works.

"The reports claim that the U.S.' proposal includes a pay package worth more than Klinsmann's current £1.5 million ($2.78 million) a year deal with the Dfb. That would be nearly three times what Arena currently earns."


bob
post #947 of 1044
Zidane to grant an interview on Canal + at 7:40 pm Paris time.

The FIFA's president has not ruled out striping him of his "best WC player" title. The incident is under investigation.

To be continued.
post #948 of 1044
"des mots très durs" répétés "plusieurs fois", des mots "qui sont parfois plus durs que des gestes" sur sa "mère" et sa "soeur".
He apologized for the act, without regretting it.
"le coupable, c'est celui qui provoque".
post #949 of 1044
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Originally Posted by Fabienne
"des mots très durs" répétés "plusieurs fois", des mots "qui sont parfois plus durs que des gestes" sur sa "mère" et sa "soeur".
He apologized for the act, without regretting it.
"le coupable, c'est celui qui provoque".


Hard words repeated many times? Something about his mother and his sister? "...que des gestes," what's that?

bob
post #950 of 1044
Zidane s'excuse mais ne regrette rien
LEMONDE.FR | 12.07.06 | 20h32 "¢ Mis à jour le 12.07.06 | 20h45


Zinédine Zidane s'est excusé, mercredi soir sur Canal+, pour avoir asséné un coup de tête au défenseur italien Marco Materazzi lors de la finale du Mondial 2006 de football entre la France et l'Italie.


"Je m'en excuse auprès des enfants et des personnes qui ont regardé cela, a déclaré le meneur de jeu français. Bien sûr que ce n'est pas un geste à faire. Je tiens à le dire haut et fort parce que cela a été vu par deux ou trois milliards de téléspectateurs et des millions et des millions d'enfants qui ont regardé cela."


"LE COUPABLE EST CELUI QUI PROVOQUE"

Il a affirmé avoir été insulté avec "des mots très durs". Interrogé sur la teneur exacte des propos de Materazzi, Zidane a indiqué que "c'étaient des choses très personnelles, cela touche à la maman, à la sœur. Il dit des mots et il les répète plusieurs fois. Vous les écoutez une fois, vous essayez de partir. C'est ce que je fais parce que je m'en vais en fait. Vous écoutez deux fois, et puis la troisième fois..."

Michel Denisot lui a demandé si la réalité "recoupait" ce qu'avaient rapporté les tabloïds anglais qui, s'appuyant sur des spécialistes de la lecture labiale, ont accusé l'Italien d'avoir dit : "On sait tous que tu es le fils d'une pute terroriste." Zidane a juste répondu : "Ben oui".

Le joueur, qui a pris sa retraite à l'issue du Mondial 2006, a toutefois indiqué "ne pas regretter" le coup de tête qui a provoqué son expulsion à la 110e minute de la rencontre. "Je ne peux pas regretter mon geste car cela voudrait dire qu'il avait raison de dire tout cela", a-t-il expliqué.

Au sujet de l'enquête disciplinaire diligentée contre lui par la Fifa, Zidane a répondu que, selon lui, "le coupable est celui qui provoque". "Mon geste n'est pas pardonnable mais il faut sanctionner celui qui a provoqué", a-t-il lancé.


Le Monde.fr Avec AFP
post #951 of 1044
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabienne

"LE COUPABLE EST CELUI QUI PROVOQUE"



There is this concept in the law (at least the common law as I've learned it), the gist of which is "just because someone else breaks the law doesn't give you the right to break the law."

bob
post #952 of 1044
Zidane: Materazzi insulted mother, sister

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/stor...0?FSO1&ATT=HMA

The proper course of action would have been to wait until after the game and give Materazzi a whupping in the locker room. That's what Jerry Stackhouse did after a game.
post #953 of 1044
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Originally Posted by Ambulance Chaser
Zidane: Materazzi insulted mother, sister

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/stor...0?FSO1&ATT=HMA

The proper course of action would have been to wait until after the game and give Materazzi a whupping in the locker room. That's what Jerry Stackhouse did after a game.

I mentioned this before but Materazzi would have found himself in a hell of a bad spot given FIFA's anti-racism push if Zidane had held his temper in check and reported this. Now all the attention is on him instead.
post #954 of 1044
I wonder if Materazzi was playing "the dozens." ("Hey Zizou, your momma so fat . . ."). I doubt that Materazzi is in the league of, say, Gary Payton when it comes to that. Zidane really needs to grow a thicker skin.
post #955 of 1044
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Originally Posted by skalogre
I mentioned this before but Materazzi would have found himself in a hell of a bad spot given FIFA's anti-racism push if Zidane had held his temper in check and reported this. Now all the attention is on him instead.

But there is no mention of a racist insult, only that Materazzi insulted Z's mother and sister. He could have said a million things that had nothing to do with race. Like all of those things I think when people are being particularly rude to me--a la, "your mother must have spent all her time on the street corner hustling for crack rather than teaching you any manners," or so.

bob
post #956 of 1044
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Originally Posted by rdawson808
But there is no mention of a racist insult, only that Materazzi insulted Z's mother and sister. He could have said a million things that had nothing to do with race. Like all of those things I think when people are being particularly rude to me--a la, "your mother must have spent all her time on the street corner hustling for crack rather than teaching you any manners," or so. bob
I thought he mentioned something about his mother & sister being terrorists/Algerians. Need to find that article again. Edit: Ambulance Chaser: LOL
post #957 of 1044
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Originally Posted by skalogre
I thought he mentioned something about his mother & sister being terrorists/Algerians.

We'll never really know what was said to incite Z. He and his crew(manager, agent, sponsors, PR people, family, etc.) had been holed up since the event, strategizing the best spin to put on his actions. Z now has his "official" story and he'll be sticking to it. But, I find it hard to believe that Z hadn't heard the exact perjoritive directed at him a hundred times before.
post #958 of 1044
Thread Starter 
i think the thread got lost in the big crash, but we had a soccer discussion a year or two ago, and ernest stated that zidane was not really french. he said this because at the time, zidane had stated that he was retiring from the national team, and that he was maybe considering playing for them again. ernest said (rightly) that a true frenchman would pay to be on the national team, and he was insulted that zidane would take playing for the national team so lightly. zidane's actions on sunday, and his comments today, proved ernest's point.
post #959 of 1044
I think in this whole frenzy after the head butt Zidane has handled himself well. After the red card he walked off the field without protest and then pretty much kept his mouth shut until he gave the interview yesterday where he apologized, he would not say exactly what Materazzi actually said to him but, nonetheless, he felt he did what he had to do. That is his prerogative, he has paid the price for his gesture. It has been the French media that are trying to make a martyr of Zidane and Materazzi the villian and suggesting that when faced with these kinds of insults the only recourse is to respond as Zidane did therefore finding honor in defeat even greater than the honor of Italy's victory, now somehow tainted. There are other ways to respond, off course. I remember when Fiorentina was playing Barcelona at the Nou Camp in the Cup Winners Cup, the Barcelona supporters were chanting "Batistuta, hijo de puta" relentlessly and his response was to score an incredible goal on a volley from outside the box and then the famous gesture, "ziti tutti!". Unforgettable.
post #960 of 1044
Am I the only one that thinks Materazzi showed pretty good poise by being able to strike a penalty kick after having his feathers ruffled by being headbutted by Zidane? I know he's the villain in all this, but for a guy that's often been looked over, he played a pretty big role in this world cup: first he was the one that was called for the foul that resulted in the PK for France, then he scored the goal for Italy, then he got headbutted, then he scored a PK - pretty active.
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