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post #916 of 1044
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim
I mean, if there is a subway series, or your kid has a papercut, or there is a great shoe sale somewhere... its a friggin emergency man! No time to be sitting around shooting smoke up other people's asses. Fidgeting never got you out of the office early! Be proactive!

Haha, maybe he just found out that his local NM Last Call had a pair of John Lobbs in his size and he wanted to get there before someone snagged them up.

By now, I've forgiven Zidane and he's back to being one of the greatest of all times in spite of the headbutt (which, I don't think is excusable - but I'm over it).

By the way, soccer can be uncivil in the United States too. I played in high school and I hurled quite a few insults at players from other teams - though never anything racial - and had quite a few hurled back at me.
post #917 of 1044
So now Materazzi is speaking without saying. Zidane to hold press conference. I wouldn't bet on him revealing what exactly was said.
post #918 of 1044
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Originally Posted by skalogre
You may want to watch that attitude. You have no idea who you are talking to so you cannot infer anything, jonglover. If you want to keep acting like an annoyed little chav that is your prerogative. You'll probably find that many people here have been in much worse situations that the oneirous ones you have found yourself in. So drop that goddamn machismo.

Btw, anyone with a modicum of sense and especially maturity would know when to act and when to restrain himself. There is such a thing as knowing that others depend on you, such as your team and your country's aspirations.

Oh brother.
post #919 of 1044
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Originally Posted by jonglover
Oh brother.
No, he's right. You're throwing the words around in this thread as if you've never been in a situation where there was a question of whether violence were necessary or not, and how much violence to use. And no, under those circumstances, there are no *words* that should be able to invoke true, now-the-dude-isn't-going-to-walk-for-the-rest-of-his-life-or-maybe-he's-dead violence. Put yourself in a situation like that or three, and you will lose the cavalier attitude towards punching someone in the nose in the bar because he hit on your girlfriend.

Tom
post #920 of 1044
It's a new game for everyone to enjoy:

http://www.break.com/index/zidane_head_butt_game.html

bob
post #921 of 1044
One version on the web: (my translation)

Zidane: "Stop pulling on my shirt."
Materazzi : "Shut up, fucker, you only get what you deserve.
Zidane: "Right..." (as he leaves)
Materazzi: "You deserve all that, you fucking moslems, dirty terrorists."
post #922 of 1044
Have people seen the pictures/video from the clebrations last night at the CircusMaximus? Reports were 500,000 to 1,000,000 delirious people - it looked like quite a party. If anyone knows how to post these, they are amazing.....
post #923 of 1044
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Originally Posted by Fabienne
One version on the web: (my translation)

Zidane: "Stop pulling on my shirt."
Materazzi : "Shut up, fucker, you only get what you deserve.
Zidane: "Right..." (as he leaves)
Materazzi: "You deserve all that, you fucking moslems, dirty terrorists."

If this is true, then it would definitely neither excuse nor justify what Zidane did. I hope he insulted his wife (or girlfriend or whatever) or his mother or his sister or something.
post #924 of 1044
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Originally Posted by odoreater
If this is true, then it would definitely neither excuse nor justify what Zidane did. I hope he insulted his wife (or girlfriend or whatever) or his mother or his sister or something.

Materazzi says he would never insult someone's mother. He apparently lost his at age 14.
post #925 of 1044
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Originally Posted by tiger02
No, he's right. You're throwing the words around in this thread as if you've never been in a situation where there was a question of whether violence were necessary or not, and how much violence to use. And no, under those circumstances, there are no *words* that should be able to invoke true, now-the-dude-isn't-going-to-walk-for-the-rest-of-his-life-or-maybe-he's-dead violence. Put yourself in a situation like that or three, and you will lose the cavalier attitude towards punching someone in the nose in the bar because he hit on your girlfriend.

Tom

Being really, really out of place in an ultra-rural setting I've actually had many opportunities to make decisions such as these. You're being presumptuous about me being presumptuous. And I'm sorry if I offended anyone as I'm not trying to call out specific people. I'm just saying you cannot divide this situation into black and white and call Zidane a villain for doing what he obviously thought was the right thing to do at that moment in time.
post #926 of 1044
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jonglover
Being really, really out of place in an ultra-rural setting I've actually had many opportunities to make decisions such as these. You're being presumptuous about me being presumptuous. And I'm sorry if I offended anyone as I'm not trying to call out specific people. I'm just saying you cannot divide this situation into black and white and call Zidane a villain for doing what he obviously thought was the right thing to do at that moment in time.
you're not french.
post #927 of 1044
There is a big difference between those who do not fight out of self-restraint and those who do not out of fear of physical confrontation.

imho, the majority of guys on Styleforum have probably never had to, and probably wouldn't know what to do if someone attacked them.

I've been in fights for various reasons, generally stemming from a misunderstanding that the other guy didn't want to clear up. I don't regret those. The last time this happened was on Saturday (or was it Friday?). A guy kept on getting in my face after I'd apologized and explained the situation to him as best I could. He got a little too close and too threatening in tone, so I threw him down hard, not hard enough to hurt him, but hard enough to convey to him that he might end up in ER if he kept following me. He decided that he'd said his piece, and just glared at me as I walked away.

Interestingly, earlier that evening, I ran into a guy I nearly got into an altercation with a couple of years ago (he is Peter, the trainer in the first season of Ultimate Fighter, for those who follow that). Luckily, that fight never happened (he would have handed my ass to me). But there was mutual respect after the fact. I respected that he apologized for the whole situation about 10 minutes after the potential altercation (he caught up with me in the street); and he respected that I was not going to back down from a guy better trained and conditioned than I was (by far) and about 100 pounds heavier, on principle.

I think that Zidane did a dumbass thing. Nevertheless, I can understand and even respect his response.
post #928 of 1044
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by LA Guy
I think that Zidane did a dumbass thing. Nevertheless, I can understand and even respect his response.
you're not french either.
post #929 of 1044
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Originally Posted by skalogre
Oh please guys, no need for sour grapes. If France really deserved to win they would have won, they were unable to get themselves to finish an attack succesfully. Italy got no preferential treatment. Plus Zidane's behaviour was unacceptable - he deserves having the media bury him for that.
I feel bad for the French player (forgot the name) who missed his shot . That is really unfortunate for him but what can you do, mistakes will happen.

Welcome to football. Source: TV commercial for Puma, Pele

Italy got everything back, what they lost in the European Final 2000.

The guy you forgot the name is Trezeguet, who sored the Golden Goal in 2000.

Zidane, no words.

Forza Italia.
post #930 of 1044
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Originally Posted by odoreater
Yeah, I can see how Zidane can get so frustrated at not being able to score a goal that he has to physically assault the only guy in the game that scored a real goal - who happened to be on the other team. And I agree with you about casting judgment from behind a computer screen - I mean you couldn't tell from watching it on television whether Zidane was not himself physically assaulted or in danger of being assaulted by Materazzi before he went and headbutted him in the chest.

That shot by Zidane was so....French.

Thanks
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