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post #556 of 1044
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim
I want two new rules:

If a stretcher has to come out on the field for you, you are DONE. No sub, no coming back in, you are done. Your team is down one, because you are a wuss.

"Diving" is a yellow card. end of story. If the ref THINKS you are diving, expect a card. Two of those... and you get to hit the showers. Now play the damn game. And stop being a baby.

1. this was the rule in the old days, before they allowed subs. getting hurt doesn't make you a wuss. dumb rule.

2. this is already the rule.
post #557 of 1044
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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta
i could complain a lot about the ref, but the better team won, so why bother?

See... I thought that this ref was the best I've seen, by far, in this tournament.
The game never got out of hand, he basically ignored all the second half diving, and called most of what should have been called. What exactly did you disagree with as far as the officiating went?
post #558 of 1044
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim

"Diving" is a yellow card. end of story. If the ref THINKS you are diving, expect a card. Two of those... and you get to hit the showers. Now play the damn game. And stop being a baby.

But, then the pendulum swings the other direction and you start losing players who got legitimately hit or fell down. To me, that would be just as bad and unfair. We don't want to see what happened four years with that South Korean-Italy game.

Given the size of the field and number of players, it seems we're asking too much of the ref to be able to discern if a player is taking a dive or not. I think a better solution would be to review the game afterwards via tape, and thus determine if a player should get a yellow card for diving.
post #559 of 1044
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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta
1. this was the rule in the old days, before they allowed subs. getting hurt doesn't make you a wuss. dumb rule. 2. this is already the rule.
1: Getting hurt is getting hurt. If you can get up and keep playing, GET THE HELL UP AND PLAY. If you get on that stretcher you should be DONE. Pretending you are hurt so that you can get a call to go your way, or disrupt the flow of the game, or to distract the ref is bullshit. If you are off the stretcher and back in the game within 30 seconds, you don't need a stretcher. And yes, you are a wuss. If you are nicked in the shin, and have to roll around on the ground for three minutes, you are a wuss. Stop defending them. Its like someone going home early from work because they stubbed their toe or got a papercut. And then expecting to come back later in the day...Grow a pair of balls and get back to work. 2:If it is, it is NEVER enforced. Never.
post #560 of 1044
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim
See... I thought that this ref was the best I've seen, by far, in this tournament.
The game never got out of hand, he basically ignored all the second half diving, and called most of what should have been called. What exactly did you disagree with as far as the officiating went?

well, as you said, diving warrants a yellow card. he did not give anyone a yellow for diving. (i actually didn't see any obvious diving, but if you did, you should be complaining that he didn't give out cards for those.)

he was fair in that i didn't see any bias for one team or another, which is saying a lot.

however, ther were a few reckless plays that merited cards and he chose not to give them out. (in the first half, schneider slid into materazzi's ankle, cleats first. the ref did not show a card. a few minutes later, another german made the same play and recieved a card for it.)

i know, i know, many of you prefer things this way, but it's not the ref's job to call the game according to his or anyone's preferences. it's his job to enforce the rules as they are written.
post #561 of 1044
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Originally Posted by esquire.
I think a better solution would be to review the game afterwards via tape, and thus determine if a player should get a yellow card for diving.

I wholeheartedly agree. That would be awesome.
post #562 of 1044
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim
1: Getting hurt is getting hurt. If you can get up and keep playing, GET THE HELL UP AND PLAY. If you get on that stretcher you should be DONE. Pretending you are hurt so that you can get a call to go your way, or disrupt the flow of the game, or to distract the ref is bullshit. If you are off the stretcher and back in the game within 30 seconds, you don't need a stretcher. And yes, you are a wuss. If you are nicked in the shin, and have to roll around on the ground for three minutes, you are a wuss. Stop defending them. Its like someone going home early from work because they stubbed their toe or got a papercut. Grow a pair of balls and get back to work. 2:If it is, it is NEVER enforced. Never.
1. okay. i agree with you on that. edit: but if you really are hurt, and get taken a way on a stretcher, your team should be able to make a sub for you. that's where i disagreed with you. 2. several players have been ejected for recieving 2 yellows in this tournament, with the second yellow given for diving. luis perez of mexico went out this way against angola. he was in the penalty area, about to shoot, and got his plant foot swept up by the defender. he was judged to have taken a dive, and since he already had a yellow, he was tossed.
post #563 of 1044
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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta
2. several players have been ejected for recieving 2 yellows in this tournament, with the second yellow given for diving. luis perez of mexico went out this way against angola. he was in the penalty area, about to shoot, and got his plant foot swept up by the defender. he was judged to have taken a dive, and since he already had a yellow, he was tossed.
I didn't see that game, but I think that you and I can both agree that this one example of a bad call for diving can only be rectified by correctly calling and carding all the other "dives" in the game. I wouldnt mind the occasional bad call if the majority of the calls are correct. Unfortunately, from what I've seen in this world cup, this isn't the case. If the refs only call one bullshit diving call and ignore all the rest of the real instances, the ref might as well not be there.
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Edit: but if you really are hurt, and get taken a way on a stretcher, your team should be able to make a sub for you. that's where i disagreed with you
Maybe thats fair, but it should definitely count against your sub total. And if you already have your three subs in I don't think you should be able to bring in anyone. I mean, otherwise people will continue to take advantage of it.
post #564 of 1044
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim
I didn't see that game, but I think that you and I can both agree that this one example of a bad call for diving can only be rectified by correctly calling and carding all the other "dives" in the game. I wouldnt mind the occasional bad call if the majority of the calls are correct. Unfortunately, from what I've seen in this world cup, this isn't the case. If the refs only call one bullshit diving call and ignore all the rest of the real instances, the ref might as well not be there.
yes. i agree with you 100%. that's why i complain about the refs while others dismiss diving as "part of the modern game." edited for clarity.
post #565 of 1044
Great game, Italy really made sure that Germany understood that they WEREN'T going to the final. The Germans had some of their own rough patches as well, although, they were a bit more gentlemanly compared to the Italians, but hey, we all know how the Italians are, so I really don't think anyone should act surprised.

Jon.
post #566 of 1044
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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta
expert in what? as i said, i was 11 years old in '86. i am aware that we rooted for germany during the final, but unless we spit at your team or threw something at your team bus, i don't see it as being unsporting.



if we have a reputation for being unsporting, i am unaware of it. i was embarrased by rafa marquez' foul on the american when we lost to them 4 years ago. that was a case of poor sportsmanship, but it was an isolated one. argentina is actually known for being bad losers.

again, i have nothing agaisnt argentines personally. someone asked why they have this reptutation and i answered them. it's nothing more than a stereotype, but all stereotypes are based on some fact. they don't grow out of nowhere.

As I stated:

"╦ťany sort of back and fourth debate would be for naught'

Thus, I will not go into it; I will however talk about the current part of the cup and its final 3 possible winners.

Jon.
post #567 of 1044
great fucking game!! watched while having a business meeting in Mexico - we were both interested, so we just decided to give in and watch while working.
post #568 of 1044
That result sucks. I hate Italy. Their style is pathetic. Defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, counterattack, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, try a set play, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend. Friggin' lame.

Portugal and France are lame, too. I may actually have to favor France at this point. Blech.
post #569 of 1044
you missed a spot....

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Originally Posted by montecristo#4
Defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, counterattack, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, try a set play, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend
dive, roll, squeal, defend
post #570 of 1044
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Originally Posted by imageWIS
As I stated:

"╦ťany sort of back and fourth debate would be for naught'

Thus, I will not go into it; I will however talk about the current part of the cup and its final 3 possible winners.

Jon.

you also stated that i am uneducated and that my countrymen are unsportsmanlike. if you are not going to back up your statements, don't make them. this is a men's forum.
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