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post #46 of 1044
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Originally Posted by Luc-Emmanuel
No, it's related to three specific players: Barthez, Dhorassoo and Cissé, whom a part of the (parisian) public feel they shouldn't have been in the team. It's a form of hooliganism which has plagued parisian football for many years.

!luc


I knew they were booing Barthez and Dhorassoo but thought they were also booing Zidane. Okay, it was Cisse, whatever. At any rate, why the booing? Is this just dissatisfaction with the choice of players? I would wonder if it is a racist thing (Zidane, Cissee, and Dhorassoo(my guess by name at least) being of African descent), but Barthez?

bob
post #47 of 1044
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Originally Posted by rdawson808
I knew they were booing Barthez and Dhorassoo but thought they were also booing Zidane. Okay, it was Cisse, whatever. At any rate, why the booing? Is this just dissatisfaction with the choice of players? I would wonder if it is a racist thing (Zidane, Cissee, and Dhorassoo(my guess by name at least) being of African descent), but Barthez?

bob
Barthez plays for Marseille which is the arch rival club of Paris. I don't have a rational explanation for this as they are really just a bunch of idiotic fucks
post #48 of 1044
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Originally Posted by Luc-Emmanuel
Barthez plays for Marseille which is the arch rival club of Paris. I don't have a rational explanation for this as they are really just a bunch of idiotic fucks

post #49 of 1044
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by chrysalid
why aren't the french taking giuly? he's class surely? what do you mean "not gerrard and lamps"? i reckon the only chance we've got is if gerrard gets his game together, he's one of the best midfielders in the world.

lampard and gerrard are both attacking midfielders. if they play them both at the same time, they end up without a true defensive midfielder. they used to do this with david platt assuming the role and got to the semis in 1990.
post #50 of 1044
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rdawson808
I knew they were booing Barthez and Dhorassoo but thought they were also booing Zidane. Okay, it was Cisse, whatever. At any rate, why the booing? Is this just dissatisfaction with the choice of players? I would wonder if it is a racist thing (Zidane, Cissee, and Dhorassoo(my guess by name at least) being of African descent), but Barthez? bob
it's common for some countries to boo their own players (mexico does this) when they don't feel the team is playing as well as they should or with the style they should. i thought the booing was because of a couple of very cynical fouls they commited in the first half, which shouldn't occur in a friendly. also, barthez was booed because he should be the back up to coupet, and of course the usual marseille v. paris nonsense. edit: i think america is the only country where people "boo." in the rest of the world, the crowd whistles, which means the same thing.
post #51 of 1044
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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta
it's common for some countries to boo their own players (mexico does this) when they don't feel the team is playing as well as they should or with the style they should.

Yeah, I see this. It just seems that sometimes expectations are too high.


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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta
i thought the booing was because of a couple of very cynical fouls they commited in the first half, which shouldn't occur in a friendly. also, barthez was booed because he should be the back up to coupet, and of course the usual marseille v. paris nonsense.

Ah, I didn't see the match, only heard the reports later. These latter two reasons are what I thought it was. Barthez vs Coupet (who I'm unfamiliar with) and Paris vs. Marseilles.



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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta
edit: i think america is the only country where people "boo." in the rest of the world, the crowd whistles, which means the same thing.

Weird huh? I think it's our American obstinancy (sp?). We just have to do things differently.

bob
post #52 of 1044
I'm both more and less optimistic about the American chances. O'Brien looked great but was clearly lacking conditioning. He should be great coming off the bench. If the US ever went to a Libero, he'd be my pick. Beasley is lacking confidence, a true shame as he has rare speed. Eddie Lewis remains our best crosser just as McBride remains our best target player. It would be something to see Lewis play with an aerial finisher on the order of a Klinsmann. Look for Donovan (der kleine Kaiser) to have a huge cup performance as playmaker and the highly over-rated Reyna to (finally!) be on the bench.

Bobbie Convey is also going to provide some sparks before the Americans bow out.
post #53 of 1044
Sorry, CdM, but I fear Donavon will do nothing. He will crumble under the pressure of not playing at home. But I pray I'm wrong.

I am looking for Eddie Johnson to shine. I think once he gets that first goal after missing national team games due to injury, he will be burning for more--and will get them.

Onyewu has a real potential to come out of this with big contract offers too. As one of the commentators was saying the other night, he has the size, the determination, and the speed to be a phenom defender.

I agree, though, that Reyna is on his last legs. And that Lewis, Beasley, and Convey will provide much of our spark. They will be the troops that keep us going.


bob
post #54 of 1044
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Originally Posted by rdawson808
Sorry, CdM, but I fear Donavon will do nothing. He will crumble under the pressure of not playing at home. But I pray I'm wrong.

bob


I think Donovan's thing was homesickness, playing away from the US for extended periods. I think he'll do just fine on his German vacation. Even Ronaldo always said that he preferred playing in Spain over Italy, partly because of language. I don't fault Donovan for that. You could argue that he should have never signed with a German club if he didn't want to play there, but he was a pretty young kid when he did that.
post #55 of 1044
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Originally Posted by countdemoney
I think Donovan's thing was homesickness, playing away from the US for extended periods. I think he'll do just fine on his German vacation. Even Ronaldo always said that he preferred playing in Spain over Italy, partly because of language. I don't fault Donovan for that. You could argue that he should have never signed with a German club if he didn't want to play there, but he was a pretty young kid when he did that.

I guess I see it much more cynically than you. I look at his failure in Germany not simply as a case of homesick-ness that is cured by going home. I see it as a person who claims to want to play on the international stage and at the highest level failing in Germany, but not even trying anything else once the first attempt (as an adult) didn't work. He drove straight home to his place of comfort. He speaks spanish, so why not try Spain? Why not England or Scotland? Having a common language would at least make him feel more at home.

A large part of this is also that I feel he was representing the USA in this and he let us down. Howard didn't fare too well when he moved to ManU but he is still trying. He's going on loan next season because he wants first-team game time. He wants to show that he can play in the EPL. Landond packed it in and said "I'll stick with mediocrity."

And then when you look at all of the phenom US players in Europe who get no mention in the papers back home while Donovan gets all this praise, it makes me very very angry with him. [Yeah, and the media that portray him as this darling-wunderkind of US football.]


bob
post #56 of 1044
Lampard sucks and needs an anchor like Makelele. Gerrard is a complete midfielder who could play with either an anchor or another box to box midfielder (a la Alonso, Pirlo, etc). Lamps + Gerrard is suicide. I remember Ericson playing Becks as the anchor, needless to say it was bloody hilarious.

Oh and no offense but I dont think USA would even get out of the group stages but then I dont watch MLS at all so I cant say much.

Barthez would probably get the nod over Coupet (who is much better now) as Domenech is an imbecile.
post #57 of 1044
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Originally Posted by rdawson808
I knew they were booing Barthez and Dhorassoo but thought they were also booing Zidane. Okay, it was Cisse, whatever. At any rate, why the booing? Is this just dissatisfaction with the choice of players? I would wonder if it is a racist thing (Zidane, Cissee, and Dhorassoo(my guess by name at least) being of African descent), but Barthez?

bob

Titi is black and no French supporter would boo him. Same with Vieira, Thuram, Makelele etc.
post #58 of 1044
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Originally Posted by countdemoney
O'Brien looked great but was clearly lacking conditioning.

And he had a big freaking rock on his forehead.
post #59 of 1044
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Originally Posted by sirene
Oh and no offense but I dont think USA would even get out of the group stages but then I dont watch MLS at all so I cant say much.


But don't base our prospects necessarily on our MLS players. There are 12 Euro-based and 11-MLS based on the squad. And O'Brien only moved to the MLS in the last, what 6 months?

bob
post #60 of 1044
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Originally Posted by sirene
Titi is black and no French supporter would boo him. Same with Vieira, Thuram, Makelele etc.

Oh yeah, duh. I rather managed to forget about all the other players.


bob
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