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post #256 of 1044
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Originally Posted by tiger02
I'm more of a hater than a cynic, and think this game demonstrates exactly why soccer faces an uphill battle in gaining US fans. Playing strong and tough is the American way--run hard, throw elbows, and if you get spiked then rub some dirt on it and play through it. Pretty, fluid teams may get respect, but never the love and devotion that outright smashmouth teams get, in any sport. So what happens in the "best match this Cup has seen yet?" Between the teams, three guys get tossed and suspended for aggressive play, ref blows calls left and right, and pretty boys get carried off the field on stretchers when they scrape their knees. There was some exciting stuff, but not enough to make up for the overt lack of masculinity. I've always said soccer is a chick's game, didn't see anything that would change that.

tom, those guys were not tossed for aggressive play. you're supposed to be aggresive, but there is a technique to it.

in the nfl, if one tackles the quarterback 3 seconds after he's passed the ball, isn't that a foul? isn't there a rule against spearing? isn't there a rule against a certain type of leg block that the linemen used to use?
post #257 of 1044
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Originally Posted by Luc-Emmanuel
The three red cards were well deserved. The Us defender was clearly late and not going for the ball but the player. The other red card was in fact a second yellow card well earned after many foul plays (in fact, poppe should have been thrown out at his first yellow, the italian player was running alone to the goal). The italian red card, I don't think it need to be discussed. Very entertaining game btw Italy vs Czech will be interesing to watch, as the loser may go back home if Ghana wins

!luc

!luc

merci
post #258 of 1044
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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta
if you care about u.s. soccer you should stop complaining about the ref. he gave the u.s. a couple of breaks too.

the u.s. lost because they were too nervous. even the coach was nervous. eddie pope should have been replaced at halftime. beasley should not have been put in the game. the coach ahd previously stated that beasley was not playing well and he didn't plant to use him in this match. beasley ended up being the man offside when the u.s. scored their second goal. mastroenni's foul was a bonehead move, and still, they tied them with 9 guys. i really wanted the u.s. to win, but they messed up. it was theirs to win. deal with it.

I agree to a certain degree. He was not completely consistent but that is not unusual to me. All the games I have watched, national, international, even back home, have had that to a certain degree. Yes, Mastroenni came in hard but I am not as certain as you are about the red. I tried rewinding it a couple times, his cleats did not look that close to the Italian's ankles. But several players had that coming.
Oh, and I agree that the US was not given any sort of negative treatment by the ref.
post #259 of 1044
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france v korea is going to be good. i have money on france to win the whole thing, and my korean friend is coming over to watch the game. i still have a korean "be the reds" t-shirt from the last world cup.
post #260 of 1044
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Originally Posted by skalogre
I agree to a certain degree. He was not completely consistent but that is not unusual to me. All the games I have watched, national, international, even back home, have had that to a certain degree. Yes, Mastroenni came in hard but I am not as certain as you are about the red. I tried rewinding it a couple times, his cleats did not look that close to the Italian's ankles. But several players had that coming.
Oh, and I agree that the US was not given any sort of negative treatment by the ref.

his tackle was far closer to the italian than it was to the ball.

the ref made some bad calls, but for both sides. i didn't see him favoring one side or the other.
post #261 of 1044
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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta
his tackle was far closer to the italian than it was to the ball. the ref made some bad calls, but for both sides. i didn't see him favoring one side or the other.
As I said, I agree that there was no apparent favouritism. Unlike it seems many people, I was happy to see a ref starting to rein in all that crap. There is a place for shoving and pushing, it is called rugby. Watching the game while working from home; I like the French kit. Wtf is the deal with that guy waving about the poor cockerel? The fucker is holding it from the legs like it is a banner or something You think they will win? France did horribly in 2002, was crushed in 04... stats are against them. Edited date. I can be an airhead
post #262 of 1044
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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta
if you care about u.s. soccer you should stop complaining about the ref. he gave the u.s. a couple of breaks too.

the u.s. lost because they were too nervous. even the coach was nervous. eddie pope should have been replaced at halftime. beasley should not have been put in the game. the coach ahd previously stated that beasley was not playing well and he didn't plant to use him in this match. beasley ended up being the man offside when the u.s. scored their second goal. mastroenni's foul was a bonehead move, and still, they tied them with 9 guys. i really wanted the u.s. to win, but they messed up. it was theirs to win. deal with it.

MP, chill a little. I was just pointing it out as "interesting" and perhaps a sign that the ref isn't always the best. I think you are reading too much into my post.

I have little opinion on Beasley coming in. Afterall, it was actually he who shot that ball into the Italian net while McBride was offsides. I would have liked to see McBride come off and Johnson replace him though.

Here's fodder for a new thread: Does Arena stay on after this Cup? I say good or bad result he leaves. It is time for new blood. And I think either a European or a Brazilian would be good. My biggest problem with Arena (and I don't know how much of this is his fault of USSF's or whose) is that we have had far too few friendlies abroad.

bob
post #263 of 1044
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Originally Posted by skalogre
As I said, I agree that there was no apparent favouritism. Unlike it seems many people, I was happy to see a ref starting to rein in all that crap. There is a place for shoving and pushing, it is called rugby.

This is a difference in what sort of game you like. I like a rougher game. That doesn't mean mastroeni-style tackles (that always deserves a booking), but 50-50 pushing, a little holding, etc., to me it's all just "part of the game."


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Originally Posted by skalogre
Wtf is the deal with that guy waving about the poor cockerel? The fucker is holding it from the legs like it is a banner or something

Yeah, that is weird. Poor poultry. Put it in a pot and cook it, like was meant to be.


bob
post #264 of 1044
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Originally Posted by tiger02
There was some exciting stuff, but not enough to make up for the overt lack of masculinity. I've always said soccer is a chick's game, didn't see anything that would change that.

I baked a cake on Tuesday, and spent today baking cookies and cleaning the kitchen. I even did some laundry. Literally.

bob
post #265 of 1044
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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta
the coach had previously stated that beasley was not playing well and he didn't plant to use him in this match. beasley ended up being the man offside when the u.s. scored their second goal.

Just a quibble, mcbride was the man offside on beasley's shot.

I do agree that beasley is not the same young man from 2002, and I personally would have picked someone else to come in.

In defense of mcbride, his role on the US team has always been to play with his back to goal, keep and hold the upfield pass and distribute to the oncoming midfielders. He has a tremendous work rate, especially in defense.

And I still disagree with you on the ref. The standard from the first 50 minutes was not the same in the last 40. That's poor work no matter how you look at it.

And why Arena never used his third sub is completely beyond me.
post #266 of 1044
Damn, that korean dude should have been thrown out after his agression on malouda. In the US vs Italy game, he would have been for sure. How about that second goal, the goalkeeper is inside!!! This game needs some serious brush up with video and more referees on the field.

!luc
post #267 of 1044
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Originally Posted by Luc-Emmanuel
Damn, that korean dude should have been thrown out after his agression on malouda...
!luc

When was that? First half?
post #268 of 1044
Well that sucked.... In my thoroughly uninformed and completely biased opinion, Australia totally outplayed Brazil, just couldnt put the score on the board despite having created chances aplenty. Still, cant help the feeling that with vastly differing levels of expectation on the two sides, the Australian dressing room may have been a more satisfied place to be than the Brazilian.... Bring on Croatia.
post #269 of 1044
And Henry, he's gotta go down as one of the greatest club players who struggles massively at the international level. He's like the French Andreas Moeller.
post #270 of 1044
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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta
no offense, but you obviously don't know what you're talking about. forget about past world cups and fifa talking to the refs. those red cards were normal in any tournament or league in any country. what was abnormal was the fact that 3 players in the same game played that way. i chalk it up to nerves.

i posted in this thread at halftime saying that eddie pope already had a yellow card, was continuing to foul, and that he was going to get tossed. he commited a second foul that merited a yellow and he was rightfully tossed. i've never seen eddie pope play the way he did against italy. it's not normal for him, but he must have been very nervous.

if you don't think the italian should have been tossed, you don't know soccer at all. he was not ejected because he hit mcbride, or becuase mcbride started bleeding. the mere act of throwing an elbow, whether he hits the man or not, is cause for a red card. players get red carded for this all the time. not every game, but enough to say it's not an unusual call.


mastroenni went in cleats first, and hit the italian in the ankles, when he had zero chance at the ball. = red. if you can't see that, you need to change your prescription.

it does not matter that the italian was not injured by the play. it's the play itself which merits the card. 2" one way or the other and the italian could have had a broken ankle. that's why you can't go in like that.

I understand that a lot of these calls are ref's discretion. Okay, the Italian deserved the call, but it was on the more severe side. The other two calls were questionable at best. Eddie Pope was a little physical, and definitely not playing the best game, and he probably deserved a yellow somewhere in there, but the early first yellow was severe. And maybe you saw a different game then I did, but the Mastroenni (sp?) tackle was already coming it before the ball left the Italian's players feet. Even if it was really late, as other posters have already pointed out, it was questionable how reckless the tackle was. And the number of other yellow cards thrown everyone's way and the frequency with which fouls were called for what looked like perfectly legitimate was just crazy

Let's just say that I thought that the ref was calling the game overly close. I don't think that supporters of either side were happy with the officiating.
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