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post #466 of 514
Thinking about this, I want to reiterate that I am not suggesting that there is no Spanish influence on cowboy culture...the language is replete with it--riata, remuda, tapaderos.

But of all the paraphernalia/gear associated with the American cowboy, there is little in the way of direct association, linage, or evidence to suggest much...if any...Spanish influence on cowboy boots prior to the late 19th and early 20th century. And that's where this strand of the conversation got started--with the suggestion that a pair of Full Wellingtons...not immediately or unrecognizably different from the boots that Wellesley himself would have worn...were a "Spanish style."

The point being that Full Wellingtons, ala the Coffeyville Boot...were the original cowboy boots and the fundamental template for every cowboy boot since. Everything, by way of ornamentation and/or styling (the pointed toe, for instance), comes after...sometimes considerably after.
post #467 of 514

Sounds good, DW.  I certainly wasn't thinking that full wellingtons were originally a Spanish style, or that cowboy boots as we think of them now were originally Spanish, just that there was some Spanish (and thus Muslim) influence on cowboy boots as we think of them now.  But exactly what that influence is or when it occurred, I don't know.  

post #468 of 514
MT,

I think I read somewhere that needle pointed toes (cockroach killers) didn't really show up until the 1950's although I know that "half-box" toes were there in the '30's.

And parenthetically, although it's not really my remit, from talks I've had with western saddlemakers and silversmiths...as well as my own observations...I suspect most of the ornamental engraving and tooling on saddles and buckles, etc., owes as much or more to Greek and Roman Acanthus ornaments than anything Spanish or islamic.

My decorative scroll stitching on the boots in the last photo of the montage above, is an attempt to capture some of the acanthus aesthetic that is found in Western silver engraving. In fact, I have always called it the "Silversmith" pattern.

The inlaid scroll work on the 4th and the 13th photos above are also acanthus themed. And of course, there's the Greek Key in the 7th photo.

My work is pretty "classical" and pretty much in the classic Western aesthetic. I am not really an Artist and so what I have produced is heavily influenced (even if only subliminally) by vintage boots. Given that, I'd be hard put to point to any motif in my work or vintage work to which I could ascribe Spanish or Islamic influences. Maybe the crescent moon (and it is a moon) and star but even that is a bit of a stretch given that both are "universal" ornaments.

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Edited by DWFII - 12/24/15 at 12:00pm
post #469 of 514

Thanks DW.  There certainly is a large variety there in your work.  I love the black and whites.

post #470 of 514
I have a query, rather need help from the experts here regarding sizing in cowboy boots.

In dress shoes I wear 8-9UK/ 42 EU. And in my Asics running shoes it is 28.5 cm. I have flat feet aka low instep. and I like my shoes to be tight on instep.
For past 2 months I'm reading about different cowboy boot brands, and visited sites how to measure your feet etc.
I also wrote to Justin boots, who replied back saying trying in person would be better. Ariat don't seem to entertain my queries so far.

Since I'm located in India, trying the cowboy boots in a store is impossible, hence I'm seeking your help/advise.
Can you suggest any brands or models which can fit me? something that is medium on toebox but narrow on instep? Will you suggest me to go for bigger size with narrow width or same size with wide width?
Also I found on some blogs that Ariat runs almost 1.5 size larger, and Justin suits for high arch support... I'm confused.
A close friend of mind has traveled to US and would be returning in next couple of weeks so I'm planning to request him to buy the boots for me.

Please help.
Thanks a lot in advance.
post #471 of 514
Loves good broken in pair of cowboy boots
post #472 of 514
Good morning boot buds!!
post #473 of 514

UK 8-9 roughly corresponds to US 10-11.  I'd go with the larger size...I am an 11 but often will get a 11.5. I have six pairs of boots,  3 of which are 11D, two are 11.5D, and one is 11E.   Size 10.5 D was what I wore 30 years ago and that's just too small for me.

 

The D will be a sleeker look (especially with pointed or snip toe) but the E works well with more rugged boots.  I have a Boulet (Canadian-made) boot that is 11E - the leather finish on it uses the rough grain side,  not the smooth side, and with a rounder toe than I usually get, so it is definitely casual....and super comfortable. 

 

Good luck!

 

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Originally Posted by greeneye View Post

I have a query, rather need help from the experts here regarding sizing in cowboy boots.

In dress shoes I wear 8-9UK/ 42 EU. And in my Asics running shoes it is 28.5 cm. I have flat feet aka low instep. and I like my shoes to be tight on instep.
For past 2 months I'm reading about different cowboy boot brands, and visited sites how to measure your feet etc.
I also wrote to Justin boots, who replied back saying trying in person would be better. Ariat don't seem to entertain my queries so far.

Since I'm located in India, trying the cowboy boots in a store is impossible, hence I'm seeking your help/advise.
Can you suggest any brands or models which can fit me? something that is medium on toebox but narrow on instep? Will you suggest me to go for bigger size with narrow width or same size with wide width?
Also I found on some blogs that Ariat runs almost 1.5 size larger, and Justin suits for high arch support... I'm confused.
A close friend of mind has traveled to US and would be returning in next couple of weeks so I'm planning to request him to buy the boots for me.

Please help.
Thanks a lot in advance.
post #474 of 514

Hi, I have several of both brands Ariats and Justin boots. Love both brands!   All my dress shoes are size 11.5 and my Nikes are size 12.  Keeping that in mind all of my boots are size 11D or 11 E.  I had to go down 1/2 size with all my boots. Hope that helps boot buddy!

post #475 of 514
Nice heels. You should post a pic with them on
post #476 of 514
hey guys. not many boot forums out there that i could find. good to find one that still sees a little use. love a good pair of western boots
post #477 of 514
Same here rooster. What size do you wear?
post #478 of 514
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Same here rooster. What size do you wear?

usually a 9.5D sometimes a 10D. ive acquired a couple older pair recently and now have an obsession with vintage cowboy boots lol.
post #479 of 514
Size 11 here roster. I have about 30 pair and still growing :$
post #480 of 514
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Originally Posted by Chawk806 View Post

Size 11 here roster. I have about 30 pair and still growing :$

ive got 6 pair now. picked up a pair of vintage tony lama recently but ended up selling just a tad too large. the first 3 pair i bought new within past couple years and now wish i hadnt. ugly square toes. the one pair i dont mind out of those is a pair of rios of mercedes caiman belly. its a square toe but not too wide. my other 2 pair i may sell off. i like finding older boots still in good shape at a nice price

and 30 pair??? dang man i bet u got some nice stuff
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