I tried on a couple of the A&F button up shirts the other day for the first time and I must say I was impressed by the fit. They are well constructed and fit better off the rack than any of the other mall-brands, in addition to Ralph Lauren and like. They have comparable designs to any other standard brand, including a few bountique types seen on the forum. The cotton oxfords are nice and sturdy....sleeves are a bit long, but that works for me. Any tailor can shorten if needed. Most of the button-ups are logo-less, so I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. The canvas tag is easily removeable and I will remove that moose if I end up purchasing the oxford shirt, which is one sale now. Regardless, the logo and image are not a valid excuse to not buy these shirts, as many on this thread have claimed. Just curious what it is about the shirts themseleves that makes them so repulsive?