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post #3451 of 3521

As long as Lands' End remains public, it will be under a lot of shareholders' pressure, and there will come the straw that breaks the camel's back. Sears has been surprisingly good to Lands' End so far, but with Sears itself struggling I don't know how long it will keep holding out for Lands' End.

And this harks back the earlier point I made about Lands' End awkward corporate positioning. We loyal fans refer to it as 'unique' and a 'sweet spot', and we love it to death, but from the corporate point of view I don't know how it makes sense. What are you going to do with a company who doesn't want to make it big like the Gap (low quality, big volumes, flashy retail stores, endless advertising), but who isn't yet willing to go the high road like J.Crew (exclusive markup, trend-leader)? I really hope Lands' End will stand the test of the market and prove that it's possible and profitable to offer great quality at affordable price.

 

And until then, no horror story of $15 leather belt and $10 chambray shirt.


Edited by xxxamazexxx - 6/28/13 at 10:05pm
post #3452 of 3521

Didn't even realize the fall collection is in already...

 

http://www.landsend.com/products/mens-baseball-jacket/id_257760

 

 

http://www.landsend.com/products/mens-french-terry-blazer/id_257756

 

 

http://www.landsend.com/products/mens-denim-cycling-jacket/id_257733

 

 

http://www.landsend.com/products/mens-buttondown-denim-shirt/id_257796

 

 

http://www.landsend.com/products/mens-french-terry-field-issue-crewneck/id_257749

 

 

http://www.landsend.com/products/mens-silk-repp-neat-tie/id_257788

 

 

http://www.landsend.com/products/mens-elston-chino-608-slim-pants/id_257744

 

 

 

Lands' End mainline, but I'm digging nonetheless:

 

http://www.landsend.com/products/mens-birdseye-cotton-drifter-crew-sweater/id_257383

 

 

 

It's all navy and slate for color and casual jackets for style. The baseball jacket, specifically, gets my money. It's everything done right. The denim shirt looks very interesting as well.

 

There is, however, not much in the way of shirts and pants. A few jeans and denim pants in very weird colors. Some flannels and new OCBDs. The shirts somehow left me really alarmed. Price has gone down from the typical $44 of last year to $39. I got their $39 poplin a few months ago and wasn't impressed with the double-stitching. Their $44 OCBDs last year were toys at best, and now with the price/quality going even lower, I will steer clear of them.

 

Same goes with ties. Their mainline $50 silk ties are exceptional, but their Canvas $38 ties were, in my experience, and probably still are, toys. In a nutshell, get the jackets if nothing else :)

 

Also, Lands' End if you're reading this: this is probably the last time I will manually print screen to get photos of your stuff across to other people. Please make it easier to share photos of your products and get the words out.

post #3453 of 3521

While more LEC stuff is on the way this fall/winter (obviously), I have to say, I'm rather disappointed with their offerings.  Granted, a lot of these things aren't in my size (38 is the smallest they carry for jackets?  seriously?), but the sad feeling most ought to have upon viewing their rather pathetic-looking french terry blazer just about sums things up for me.  Alternatively, their sweatshirts that say "Wisconsin" on them (sorry Wisconsin).
If you're a size 38 or bigger, I've heard good things about their bike blazers, so I guess these are worth checking out... when they're on sale,  I also kind of want to try out that baseball jacket.

But really, meh. confused.gif

post #3454 of 3521
When Canvas started out it showed some promise of competing with J Crew and the like. They had some nice items at much better prices ($40 for a decent chambray) and it looked like if they went in the right direction with it in seasons to come they could really have stood on their own. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. First they tried to price themselves like J Crew and that didn't work...so then they dropped both price and quality it seems like. In the process it seems like they gave up on trying to design quality items that were anymore more then cheap copies of what others were already doing. Moving the Canvas line back under the main LE website is just one more step in them giving up with this brand. Too bad...it think they could have filled a niche if they had done it right but shortly after they started they just kept moving towards the mundane middle ground of price/quality/design that so much mall based retail already handles.

Look to Club Monaco for how this should have been handled.
post #3455 of 3521

Well... I wouldn't go so far as saying the integration of LEC into the main Lands' End site is a sign of the times, but I certainly agree that their quality has taken an even steeper nosedive.  Club Monaco's seriously about the same (their quality is slightly better than that of Banana Republic, which is comparable, in my experience, to J Crew, which...).  They just look nicer.

You should see the side view of these new (cotton and acrylic?  seriously?) pants.  Dude's butt is just sticking out there and the rise just looks kinda sad... lol

post #3456 of 3521

Yeah the fact that the pants are 30% acrylic really surprises me, and in a bad way. In their defense however it could be that they need acrylic to achieve that 'heathered' texture (as with t-shirts which sometimes have some polyester thrown in for texture.)

 

I'm fine with LEC copying J Crew or whomever, as long as they keep offering similar/better quality at better price. I'm fine with 'showrooming' J Crew and then buying from LEC. What I'm not fine with, is LEC thinking they can settle into an even lower quality/price point and customers will keep coming their way.

 

I will give those jackets a try, but am 95% sure that the shirts and ties are total waste of money. They don't even compare to their mainline stuff.

post #3457 of 3521

Eh Id get those pants if the 40% off sale that they have often applies. I just wish they would make slim fit shirts and have XS sizes

post #3458 of 3521
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Originally Posted by xxxamazexxx View Post

Yeah the fact that the pants are 30% acrylic really surprises me, and in a bad way. In their defense however it could be that they need acrylic to achieve that 'heathered' texture (as with t-shirts which sometimes have some polyester thrown in for texture.)

 

I'm fine with LEC copying J Crew or whomever, as long as they keep offering similar/better quality at better price. I'm fine with 'showrooming' J Crew and then buying from LEC. What I'm not fine with, is LEC thinking they can settle into an even lower quality/price point and customers will keep coming their way.

 

I will give those jackets a try, but am 95% sure that the shirts and ties are total waste of money. They don't even compare to their mainline stuff.

 

Their ties are okay at best.  I have a few, and I don't really expect them to last, but I prefer them to their mainline because a lot of their mainline stuff is just tacky to me.

Their shirts make for decent casualwear (as in, around the house or doing groceries, and not "looking good while being nonchalant"), but considering Brooks Brothers drops their oxfords down into the $50 range (and lower) at least twice a year, you really don't need to bother.  How do you feel about that denim shirt with black buttons?  On principle, I avoid shirts with black buttons, but I tried to imagine another button color for that particular shirt and drew a blank.
 

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Originally Posted by shizlefonizle View Post

Eh Id get those pants if the 40% off sale that they have often applies. I just wish they would make slim fit shirts and have XS sizes


In my experience, their shirts are only a little bit blousier than J. Crew's slim fit shirts.  Definitely on board with the XS sizes thing.

post #3459 of 3521

That Anorak is pretty nice, I am sure I will pick it up when it goes on sale. Both the Blue and the Brown would be solid choices for the fall.

I just recently picked up two Heritage Poplin shirts for $10 each. Unbeatable for the price. The cotton has a nice weight to them and the construction was good. They will definitely last through a beating. Also, got a pair of genuine suede chukka sneakers for $27 (free shipping) in Navy, lot of compliments on those. If you look, you can definitely get some good pieces for amazing prices!
post #3460 of 3521
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Originally Posted by Sashu View Post

Their ties are okay at best.  I have a few, and I don't really expect them to last, but I prefer them to their mainline because a lot of their mainline stuff is just tacky to me.

Their shirts make for decent casualwear (as in, around the house or doing groceries, and not "looking good while being nonchalant"), but considering Brooks Brothers drops their oxfords down into the $50 range (and lower) at least twice a year, you really don't need to bother.  How do you feel about that denim shirt with black buttons?  On principle, I avoid shirts with black buttons, but I tried to imagine another button color for that particular shirt and drew a blank.

In my experience, their shirts are only a little bit blousier than J. Crew's slim fit shirts.  Definitely on board with the XS sizes thing.

So you buy LEC shirts but only to hang out around the house in or getting groceries? I'm sorry but give me a break. The quality of LEC shirts is on par with J. Crew (not in styling per se) and really not that far from most Brooks Brothers shirts. In some cases the LEC stuff is *better* quality with one example being the Chinos.

The ties aren't expected to last? How much wear are your ties getting? How often are you tying them? And tell us more about that no black buttons principle.

Sometimes I have trouble taking this forum seriously. It often feels more like a theater of the absurd.
post #3461 of 3521
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Originally Posted by bl@ster View Post


So you buy LEC shirts but only to hang out around the house in or getting groceries? I'm sorry but give me a break. The quality of LEC shirts is on par with J. Crew (not in styling per se) and really not that far from most Brooks Brothers shirts. In some cases the LEC stuff is *better* quality with one example being the Chinos.

The ties aren't expected to last? How much wear are your ties getting? How often are you tying them? And tell us more about that no black buttons principle.

Sometimes I have trouble taking this forum seriously. It often feels more like a theater of the absurd.

smack.gif so abrasive!
Yes, I do.  Is that odd?  I like wearing button shirts to go out unless I'm going to be out of the house for less than an hour, or if it's hotter than 85 degrees outside.  It's what I do.
LEC and J. Crew really aren't that great (I've lost at least a shirt from each label in the past year after less than a year of occasional wear because they fell apart because of shoddy construction, and I end up returning most LEC purchases I make), and while Brooks Brothers' quality has gone down in recent years, trying to equate the quality of their shirts to that J. Crew just doesn't make much sense to me.  I have LEC and J. Crew and Brooks Brothers shirts, among others, and I just don't see it.  I don't disagree with your assertion about their pants quality, though: while my main gripe with LEC's pants is their relatively low rise (in my eyes), I do agree that that they're fantastic. 
Don't get me wrong, though: even though I'm generally not really ever bowled over by LEC, I am still a loyal customer.  I just don't really see them as the pinnacle of off-the-rack menswear.

To expand upon that and respond to your series of questions that are probably an obfuscation of the simple "I don't understand/believe you when you say their ties aren't meant to last," their ties are not that great.  I've had one come apart already.  How often I wear my ties (in a four-in-hand, since you asked) doesn't really matter.  Even if I were to wear the same tie every other day, I would expect it to not start having structural failures after only a few months.

Finally, black buttons are generally something only seen on shirts from cheap stores selling to people with poor taste, like mall-tier shops and Yesstyle (the only exception to this comes in the form of the incredibly expensive design houses like YSL).  They're tacky and gross and make a person look cheap.  Beyond all of that, though, I simply don't like them.

Why take me seriously?  Life is a theater of the absurd.  Heck, why take anyone seriously?  If it makes reading through this forum easier, just don't.

post #3462 of 3521
LOL, sorry to come off as abrasive. It was more of a "srsly?" type response re: shirts expressly for hanging out in the house and getting groceries... sounded a little "first world problem'ish" smile.gif But I'm guilty too.

Anyway, yes fair points on Brooks Bros. Some of their Made in USA shirts are quite good construction wise and I expect them to last for a while. I should have been more specific -- there's just such a huge disparity in BB quality with all those different lines. Some shirts I have from them are godlike while others feel pretty cheap.

I've never noticed the cheap black buttons thing but I do notice buttons and their importance. One of my pet peeves are those cheap tortoise shell buttons that every single cheap shirt maker puts on their shirts *no matter the style of the shirt*. One button fits all, apparently! It drives me crazy -- I feel like the buttons really need to match the shirt (the level of dressiness, the historical time period, etc etc). Sometimes J. Crew does a pretty good job of this (see: Wallace and Barnes flannels, excellent buttons with some actual design to them).

I just see LEC as one of the best values in online shopping with some pretty nice looking basics. Sometimes when a sale is on I almost feel guilty thinking to myself there's no way they're making a profit on this order. How do they stay in business? I feel like they're a bit of an underdog (can you imagine doing design work while having Sears management? shudder) and I hope they don't go under.
post #3463 of 3521
Just got 2 pairs of Elston slim chinos -- very surprised at the quality. Really thick fabric, solid construction and they fit me even better than EP rivets, my preferred brand. (I find the Rivets to be a tiny bit short in the front rise.). I paid retail -- was going to wait for a sale but they aren't discounted all that often. I'd describe the fit as very slim for an American -- but since I live in Paris, I'd say it's a regular French fit...if you have big thighs it might be an issue.

At $58 I'd say they blow away any JCrew chino offering. I'd compare them favorably to Unis Gio, actually. I generally prefer to buy made in USA or Japan, but really, these are a great deal. Wish they came in more colors, however. The medium blue is perfect; the tan is a little meh. I don't love slate for cotton pants as it always fades oddly, at least IME.
post #3464 of 3521

the black buttons are metal, not cheap plastic ones you would see on "cheap store" brands.

post #3465 of 3521
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Originally Posted by bl@ster View Post


I just see LEC as one of the best values in online shopping with some pretty nice looking basics. Sometimes when a sale is on I almost feel guilty thinking to myself there's no way they're making a profit on this order. How do they stay in business? I feel like they're a bit of an underdog (can you imagine doing design work while having Sears management? shudder) and I hope they don't go under.

Every single day....facepalm.gif

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