Originally Posted by Bounder
I have seen them in person, though not for a couple of years. From a quality and styling perspective, their stuff isn't amazing but it's not terrible. I've certainly seen much worse. I can go with mediocre as a description, I guess. It's certainly mediocre in the SF sense but IRL that is -- or at least it has been -- high praise. And even your own, properly-fitted mediocre DJ . . . well, you're gonna like the way you look.
Were I a typical JAB or MW customer, I might well "like the way i look," but then I wouldn't be hanging around on this forum. Also, most RTW clothing does not fit me well.
For some of their stuff, "egregious" is far too kind. But once again, they do have non-offensive stuff, too.
With respect to cost, $500 all-in seems about right. And that's certainly not nothing. But, considering the context, it's quite cheap. You are going to have a hard time buying a decent suit and getting it tailored for that price.
Aren't you rather confirming my point? I wouldn't be likely to buy a $500 suit, but here we are talking about a $240 tuxedo plus accessories, so the tux is really only half the price of the suit, with a presumably commensurate reduction in quality. Moreover, most men, even if they are not regular suit wearers, are going to have many more occasions to wear a suit than a tuxedo. In most places in my part of the country, I will be overdressed merely by wearing a necktie.
The larger point is that tuxedos, contrary to popular myth, don't need to be outrageously expensive. Even one from JAB, so long as it is classic and tailored to fit, will look quite excellent. If you have an interest in such things and hey, don't kid yourself, whoever you are, you're reading SF, you should get one and find reasons to wear it.
If you emend "quite excellent" to "passable," I will agree with you. Buying an item of clothing and then seeking out a rationale for wearing it seems sort of backward to me. Truth be told, if I had occasions to wear a tuxedo, I would most certainly acquire one, but it would be a good
one. However, I don't like the idea of spending the better part of $2K for a black tie rig I am only going to wear once or maybe never.
All I was really saying is that an invitation to a black-tie event imposes a difficult set of options on the fellow who doesn't have a black tie ensemble and is not likely to need one thereafter.
BTW, one point very much in JABs favor is that they sell DJs and pants as separates and they actually match. This saves you some money on tailoring as the pants may well be fine apart from needing to be hemmed.