TyCooN's Official Boxing Thread - Page 2

Yes, because selling moar than him throughout both of your careers shouldn't mean that you should make moar money than him when it comes time to beat that AZZ. Never mind the fact that Money whooped greater versions of Oscar and Hatton.



This is sports, it's about winning. Are you really looking towards athletes for examples on being respect and humble? Ali called Frazier a gorilla. A racist expression done by white boys to blacks for centuries. Thanks for enforcing something that white boys have been trying to do forever to put another race down, let's not forget that Ali is black himself. Guess whose remembered as one of the greatest boxers of all time? It's not Frazier.

He's just doing what Mayweather does, watching out for his legacy. If he beats Cotto that's seven belts in seven different weight divisions.

Everyone else disagrees with you, go check the odds for Cotto.

Not only am I biased on fanny pac, it's also a logic thing. I posted the numbers earlier. In both of their biggest fights with the same guy, DLH, Mayweather sold DOUBLE of what he did. What more do you want? Let's not forget that Mayweather sold more than Manny throughout his career. His work is more meaningful as proven by the numbers, so why should he get less if he's doing "more" work between them in a business relationship (their fight)?

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I'm not here to compare Mayweather trashing a nation's flag to Ali promoting racism. The reality is that Ali treated Frazier like shit by constantly disrespecting him, but it's Ali who is considered the best of his time.

You just said it yourself. I'm rating people as athletes, and you rate them on being good human beings.

I don't watch basketball.

That doesn't change the fact that Money bested greater versions of DLH and Hatton.

What's it going to be champ?

Are you supporting him because you're biased in a good way towards him?

That's not what the cash register says. The pound for pound system was made to rate which fighters are the best since the size differences would make it stupid for them to fight each other. Money and fanny pac haven't fought yet, just like how everyone in the P4P rankings don't fight each other. They determine who is the best with the quality of their opposition, and how they fight. Do you really think someone like fanny pac would whoop Money's AZZ? Styles make fights. Don't act like you don't know, bro. Here we go.


Did you not watch Paul Williams lose to Quintana in their first fight? If a lesser fighter like Quintana can do it Floyd can. Unfortunately, it remains a fantasy fight as it doesn't make sense for the KING of fighting for checks to take up a small name.

He's the closest to Ali out of anyone in this era. Is he not the most technically skilled boxer of his time? Does he not have the biggest ego in the sport? Who else can talk as much shit?

We'll see after November 14th. Keep in mind that he announced his comeback on the day of the Hatton-fanny pac fight. Let's see the man he chose to beat was one that fanny pac could barely handle. There's too much money in fanny pac if he keeps his stardom inertia going for a greedy mofo like Floyd to pass it up. Everything adds to him having his eyes set on pac.

Dodging Cotto and Williams? I can buy that. Being afraid of fanny pac? Only the most retarded fans can say he's scared of fanny pac. Did you not watch fanny struggle with JMM, a lesser counter puncher?

Who do you think would be a 50-50 fight for him that's actually worth money, his motive for beating people up? People like you hate Floyd so much that you would put him in the ring with Pavlik if you could.

Good job, you should frame it. It'll last you longer.

I'm saying it should be a 60/40 or 55/45 split. Floyd's proved he's the breadwinner. No, if you noticed in my first post in this thread I mentioned how fanny pac talks about Mayweather being too greedy, and that's why the fight won't happen. fanny pac believes it's a boxer's responsibility to accommodate to the fans by giving them the best fight for their money. Everyone wants to see Mayweather whoop that AZZ, and don't you think fanny pac should practice what he preaches? He's making it sound like the fans are moar important than the money. Well he should put his idea into practice. Now you're putting words in my mouth. I brought up Ali as an illustration on how people don't give a fuck about respect and humility when it comes to whose the best fighter. World class athletes are competitive guys who play to be the best. Anyways, does Floyd not talk a lot of shit then proves he can back it up in the ring? We all know Floyd is obsessed with fighting for cash. I'm not Floyd, but my guess is that he believes Mosley won't make him as much money as fanny pac at this stage of his career. If DLH was that far down the shitter at that point then it would lessen both of their victories on him. Beating a big name like DLH is what turned them both into stars. Lessen him for Floyd, and you'll do the same for fanny. I agree with the Hatton part. Floyd is a safety first fighter since he overvalues his 0. He wants to leave with a flawless record, and that makes him a much less aggressive fighter in favor of slow damage through counter punching. fanny pac doesn't have as much to lose so he's free to take all those risks he wants. Floyd has admitted to having hand trouble in the past, so we know why he doesn't punch as hard. Some fighters use Cleto Reyes gloves, Money uses Winning for the extra hand protection. Foreman made Frazier look stupid, but Ali struggled with Frazier. Did you know that Ali was about to quit before the final round of the last Ali-Frazier fight, but he ended up winning since Frazier's corner fucked Frazier over by throwing in the towel against his will? Frazier handled Ali once, and arguably twice, but they were making jokes about how bad Frazier got fucked up by Foreman. Now they used the same logic you have by comparing how two guys with different styles whooped a common opponent, but Ali ended up beating Foreman by knocking that AZZ out in the 8th. If we use the same logic for Mayweather/Hatton vs fanny/Hatton then Mayweather would Money automatically be considered the lesser fighter? Styles make fights. I would get angry, but the truth is in the lights at the night of the fight. What happens that night is what will either make him a greater or lesser fighter. Mayweather's reach is greater than fanny's reach by five inches, bro. That's almost half of a ruler, and it makes a difference come jab time. 72">67". You're already convinced on why you think Money/fanny would be 50/50, but I still stand by my side on why Mayweather has the advantage here. I don't see it being that way if fanny pac is the winner. Pac's hype will grow even moar if he wins, and that's just too much money for a greedy man like him to past up. I can give you the part about him possibly dodging Cotto as he didn't ever express much interest in fighting that guy. Fanny shouldn't get an even split as he's sold significantly less than Floyd throughout their careers. Another thing to factor is both of their recent fights. Mayweather/Marquez sold 1 million PPV. If fanny pac doesn't outsell Mayweather by an impressive margin, I doubt Floyd is going to agree to an even split. What ever happens, happens. The numbers don't lie, and Floyd is the bigger draw in the sport of boxing. We apply logic and he should be walking out with the bigger purse. Let's not forget that you even agreed to fanny pac is dodging his Mexican homeboy, who also happens to have a counter punching style like Floyd. I'll agree that Floyd embarrassed a lesser JMM than the one Pac fought. Marquez didn't carry up all the weight so well, but size wasn't Floyd's main advantage. The manner in which he did it was a boxing clinic, he completely outclassed and out skilled him. He proved he's the vastly superior counter puncher that night. If fanny pac barely beated JMM, just imagine what would happen against a larger, faster, and smarter version of JMM, also known as Floyd? Fanny pac could actually land some clean shots on JMM. A big difference between Floyd and fanny pac's Mexican friend is that Floyd's godlike defense often stops him from being hit flush. One last thing is Floyd did all of that after coming off from a two year lay off.

You know what I meant when I said everyone, I'm in the Mayweather fans' camp. That's true when you make shit look that easy people feel threatened and jealous.

It came out the way it did though to make Floyd the biggest active draw in the sport. Floyd may have had "lucky" circumstances, but numbers are numbers. Boxing is as much fighting as it is politics.



If there's one thing about Mayweather that bothers me it's how he says he's free to fight whoever since he's his own boss, but he loves to answer I need to go talk to my people first whenever someone asks who he'll fight next.


We'll see when the numbers come. You know if you believe the fight to be that even it would be a good idea to put some money on Cotto. He has 1 to 4 odds at winning by KO, TKO, or DQ.

Where do you get your odds at? I'm using sportsinteraction where putting money on a Cotto win by KO, TKO, or DQ can 4x your money. I want to put $150ish on Cotto by KO, TKO, or DQ. I don't know how to order the fight, so that means I'll be going to the bar. They don't ID, and I can make last minute bests with other people at the bar. Plus it's great to bullshit around with the Mexican workers. Yep, that's what too many fighters do. I heard pac and cotto like to balloon up between fights from all their drinking. Hatton is a hardcore case with rumors of him ballooning up to 200. Treating your body like that has to catch up to you in the long run.