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post #1231 of 1271
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post


You think so?

Huge buzz in the UK boxing scene at the moment. Dunno if that translate to PPVs, but they would have got all of GGGs starved fans so I'm not sure.

Buzz or not, I thought that this fight being held in England was the only edge that Brook had.  I mean if a Mexican fighter fought in Mexico against Mayweather, it would mean that the Mexican guy would rather DIE than lose to Floyd.  Instead I thought Brook chickened out. He could have pretended to be KO'd if his eye was that bad.  Kinda disappointed in that. 

 

The last ALL WORLD british fighter was Ricky Hatton. And, he fought in Vegas for his 2 biggest fights PBF and Pacquio.  All about the dollas...

post #1232 of 1271
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Kell Brook will have surgery on the broken eye socket he sustained in Saturday's defeat by Gennady Golovkin.

Brook, 30, who moved up two weight divisions to face the unbeaten middleweight champion, will have an operation in Sheffield on Monday, promoter Eddie Hearn said.

He suffered the injury in the second round in London and had blurred vision before being stopped in round five.

Having initially questioned his trainer's actions, Brook agreed the day after the defeat that Ingle had been correct.

"He's like a father figure. It was the right decision and I can fight another day," he said.

"I was getting caught, and getting caught. It could have ended up seriously bad."


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post #1233 of 1271
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post


I'm glad that this came out.  With very few exceptions, pretty much any fighter, in any combat sport, that steps into a ring or cage, deserves respect. 

 

With notable exceptions, all fighters have tons of heart, even when they are just standing there being beaten senseless, which is why the ref, the doctor, and the seconds' first job is to protect the fighter, often not so much from the other guy, but from himself for being too tough.  

 

It's less common in boxing, where the complexion of a fight is much less likely to change in an instant. in MMA, guys will have broken bones, huge lacerations, be compromised in their vision, etc... arguing that they should be allowed to continue, even though it's pretty obvious that the fighter should be retired between rounds.  

post #1234 of 1271
the acute injuries don't scare me so much as the long term, degenerative consequences of repetitive concussions.

I admit to having a moral grapple with myself every time I'm about to watch a big fight - sure, some of these guys are paid well, but they're the very, very few, and even then it's only for a few short years. And then the long term effects can completely destroy not only their lives, but also their families'. The inevitable presence of PEDs and the cynicism with which they're tolerated further compounds this moral quandary. You're already asking people to sacrifice their health and wellbeing for a career...

Dunno.
post #1235 of 1271
I'd have that quandary if the boxers didn't know the risks going in.


GGG vs. Brook
It had the expected outcome(best scenario for both boxers) and the only real thing I took from the fight was that GGG had an off night. He needs to get Billy Joe, unify, and then have a mega-fight with Canelo. Although from what I've heard Canelo's side doesn't even seem interested in giving GGG a fair purse.


Kovalev vs. Ward
I still see it as a 50/50 fight. I don't think it'll be very entertaining for casual fans unless you consider the Kovalev vs. Hopkins fight entertaining. I think it'll play out just like that fight, although Ward will win some rounds until Kovalev eventually hurts him. I don't think the fight will end in a KO for either.

I don't see it getting more than 750k buys, which is a shame for a fight that could very well crown the p4p boxer. Neither has any star power to sell the fight, although Kovalev has a much more fan friendly style.
post #1236 of 1271
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

the acute injuries don't scare me so much as the long term, degenerative consequences of repetitive concussions.

I admit to having a moral grapple with myself every time I'm about to watch a big fight - sure, some of these guys are paid well, but they're the very, very few, and even then it's only for a few short years. And then the long term effects can completely destroy not only their lives, but also their families'. The inevitable presence of PEDs and the cynicism with which they're tolerated further compounds this moral quandary. You're already asking people to sacrifice their health and wellbeing for a career...

Dunno.
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Originally Posted by systematic View Post

I'd have that quandary if the boxers didn't know the risks going in.

GGG vs. Brook
It had the expected outcome(best scenario for both boxers) and the only real thing I took from the fight was that GGG had an off night. He needs to get Billy Joe, unify, and then have a mega-fight with Canelo. Although from what I've heard Canelo's side doesn't even seem interested in giving GGG a fair purse.

Kovalev vs. Ward
I still see it as a 50/50 fight. I don't think it'll be very entertaining for casual fans unless you consider the Kovalev vs. Hopkins fight entertaining. I think it'll play out just like that fight, although Ward will win some rounds until Kovalev eventually hurts him. I don't think the fight will end in a KO for either.

I don't see it getting more than 750k buys, which is a shame for a fight that could very well crown the p4p boxer. Neither has any star power to sell the fight, although Kovalev has a much more fan friendly style.8

Even if you understand the risks... well, you really do think that you are invincible when you are young.  I always felt like I could recover from anything... until I couldn't.  

 

I've watched and rewatched Kovalev vs. Hopkins, so I guess that I enjoyed that fight.  I think that Ward can win some rounds, but I think that he is not as circumspect and cerebral a fighter as is Hopkins.  In time, he may be that, but is still a young fighter and has a young fighter's mindset.  That could lead to him getting hurt in a way that Hopkins had become the master at avoiding before he faced Kovalev.  

 

If I were a betting man, I would call a unanimous decisions for Kovalev, with long but not impossible odds of a KO.

post #1237 of 1271
Fury pulls out again.

What a joke. Also ridiculous that his hearing has been postponed for over a year after he tested positive.

Just strip the cunt ffs.
post #1238 of 1271

Was flipping through my channels and one of the Showtimes was replaying the Carl Froch/Jermain Taylor one.  What a fight! Taylor controlled early and Froch came on in the last rounds. The 12th was one for the ages. Fantastic control by Froch in the last round.  Froch dropped him once and the ref stopped it with seconds to go.  Great call by the announcer, whose name I can't remember, who yelled, "I'm going back to England Mum and I'm keeping my title!"  It's probably on youtube if you want to relive it.

post #1239 of 1271
Year is going to end very well for boxing fans.


11/19 Ward v Kovalev
11/26 Lomachenko v Walters
12/17 Salido v Miura

Pacquiao v Vargas on 11/05 probably isn't a good matchup but it should at least be entertaining.

Anthony Joshua has bout coming up too but no one knows who it will be against though a Klitscho bout are being reported to be close, not sure if it's for Joshuas next bout or next year though.

Then GGG v Jacobs is still being worked on that might happen before the end of the year so that should be pretty good too.
post #1240 of 1271
I'm surprised that Lomachenko vs Walters got made. I'm a big fan of Lomachenko and think he's immensely talented, but I think he's got a big challenge with Walters.

Walters is not only taller, but he has a significant reach advantage over Lomachenko. Walters is likely the bigger puncher as well.

I think Walters might be the favorite in this fight. There is an advantage in having that pro experience. We saw it with Lomachenko in his fight against Salido.

I'd look forward to a Golovkin vs Jacobs fight. I think Golovkin still wins, but Jacobs is a solid fighter with a big punch and a name in the division.

I rewatched the Jacobs vs Pirog fight recently, such a good fight. Pirog was very promising, and the proposed fight between him and Golovkin a couple of years back would have been exciting.

It's too bad Pirog's injuries forced him to retire from the sport. I think he would have been a top 160 lber if he was able to continue in his career.
post #1241 of 1271
Yah I think GGG is going to win just because I think Jacobs has weak chin and GGG could likely put him down while GGG still walks through punches and when he goes against someone with power and could be a threat like Lemiuex, he'd jab the hell out of them until he strategically break them down.


I saw the Canelo replay and he got caught in the ropes a couple of times and that is one thing he can't do with GGG when/if they face off. I get it, he is a counter puncher and he kind of lures them to that position but GGG might be too smart for that. On the flip side, Canelo has a somewhat underrated defense, he is better than he is given credit for and those body shots are just as deadly as GGGs. Once these two face off, it might just be a 50/50 to most boxing fans just like Ward v Kovalev is. I just hope it happens sooner than later because GGG is getting up there in age and dude is trying to fight 3-4 matches a year.
post #1242 of 1271
People see Canelo as a seek and destroy kind of fighter because of his Mexican heritage and highlight reel knockouts, but he's actually a pretty smart counter puncher.

Canelo's style reminds me of Nacho Beristain's style of boxing - fluid combination counter punching. Watch Marquez highlight reels and compare them with Canelo.

The thing that Canelo lacks is footwork. He's slow on his feet and isn't the best at cutting the ring off. However, he does have pretty good defense and upper body movement.

He's learned a couple of things from Floyd, which he's incorporated into his style well - things like sticking out his lead hand to measure/distract/create distance, the jab to the midsection, planting his right hand by the right side of his jaw, and using his shoulder and angling his body to avoid punches when he is on the ropes.

I think Golovkin still wins, but he'll likely take a lot of damage doing so. We all saw his face after the Brook fight. Canelo is very sharp and places his punches very well.

I think Canelo will try to time Golovkin coming in with counters, which is probably his best bet. Golovkin will eat some hellacious uppercuts and hooks in order to win this fight.
post #1243 of 1271
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post


Anthony Joshua has bout coming up too but no one knows who it will be against though a Klitscho bout are being reported to be close, not sure if it's for Joshuas next bout or next year though.

I honestly think Hearn mentioning Klitschko was a media runaround - he later said he only wants the Klitschko fight if it's for both of Fury's belts, and he said it's unlikely that the sanctioning bodies will both agree to that (although I don't see why not).

It should be Parker as he just absolutely destroyed Dimitrenko and is the mandatory anyway. But reading between the lines of Joshua's and Parker's camps, it sounds like they both want to dodge each other for a bit longer to build up the fight. They were talking about Parker fighting Price on Joshua's undercard in November so they can build for Parker-Joshua in February...but that depends on Joshua getting an opponent.


Pulev would have been a good shout. Good fighter, but very beat-able for Joshua. But it sounds like that's not happening either.

Reckon they'll just find another bum.
post #1244 of 1271
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Originally Posted by Phrost View Post

People see Canelo as a seek and destroy kind of fighter because of his Mexican heritage and highlight reel knockouts, but he's actually a pretty smart counter puncher.

Canelo's style reminds me of Nacho Beristain's style of boxing - fluid combination counter punching. Watch Marquez highlight reels and compare them with Canelo.

The thing that Canelo lacks is footwork. He's slow on his feet and isn't the best at cutting the ring off. However, he does have pretty good defense and upper body movement.

He's learned a couple of things from Floyd, which he's incorporated into his style well - things like sticking out his lead hand to measure/distract/create distance, the jab to the midsection, planting his right hand by the right side of his jaw, and using his shoulder and angling his body to avoid punches when he is on the ropes.

I think Golovkin still wins, but he'll likely take a lot of damage doing so. We all saw his face after the Brook fight. Canelo is very sharp and places his punches very well.

I think Canelo will try to time Golovkin coming in with counters, which is probably his best bet. Golovkin will eat some hellacious uppercuts and hooks in order to win this fight.

Canelo also has a rep of fading in the later rounds. He was gasping for air/slowing down against Austin Trout and Mayweather late. I honestly think he has to go for an early sub 7 round KO against Golovkin.  GGG pressure will be too much in the later rounds IMO.  

post #1245 of 1271
Canelo does slow down and gets a bit winded in the later rounds. His hand speed and work rate noticeably drops as his fights go on.

However, Golovkin doesn't have too much experience fighting 12 round fights. He looked tired and a little bit fatigued in the Brook fight, which is kind of unusual from him.

Golovkin was a bit wild in the Brook fight though, so that fight probably isn't the best representation of his abilities.

I think I revise my theory on how someone can possibly beat Golovkin. The times that we've seen Golovkin really hit is when someone plants their feet on the inside and throw combinations.

Golovkin fights best at mid-range, and guys like Murray and Monroe were able to land clean shots on him while they were on the inside. IMO, Canelo is also at his best at mid-range, so that's probably out for him.
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