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post #1216 of 1265
Here's the Golovkin Brook weigh-in.



Brook looked strong and happy at 160. If I didn't know better, I would have thought he was a natural Middleweight.

On the other hand, Golovkin seemed bothered, like something was on his mind. It's possible he was weight drained.
Even Golovkin at 70-80% still hurts Brook. It'll just be a more competitive match up for the fans.

Man, time flies. I remember almost 4 years ago to the date being miserable at my job, and my only solace was looking forward to the Sergio Martinez vs Chavez Jr. fight. Hopefully, this will be another good one to remember to get me through these uncertain times...
post #1217 of 1265
that's 4-0 to Brook so far. Loooooong way to go, but this is phenomenal
post #1218 of 1265
lol or not.

Hard to know whether he was just trolling us with those first 4 rounds.
post #1219 of 1265
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

lol or not.

Hard to know whether he was just trolling us with those first 4 rounds.

I don't think that it was like Alvarez vs. Khan, where Alvarez was just biding his time, letting Khan get too comfortable and becoming much less disciplined in his punch output, so that he would be able to catch him coming in with four or five punches in a row.

 

But c'mon.  Did anyone really think that Kell Brooks could withstand Golovkin's power.  Golovkin is a much bigger man, and with outsized power.  You need to be a defensive genius to survive, much less win, a fight like that.  
 

tbh, even though Andre Ward is much better in any number of ways than Kell Brooks, I can see Ward/Kovalev going the same way.  

post #1220 of 1265
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But c'mon.  Did anyone really think that Kell Brooks could withstand Golovkin's power.  Golovkin is a much bigger man, and with outsized power.  You need to be a defensive genius to survive, much less win, a fight like that.  

Yeah I mean as well as Brook did, this was very clearly a media/money grab fight. Looks good for a few rounds, makes a name for him and they stop the fight as soon as he looks in trouble.

I don't really know, I reckon Ward has a bit more to him. But yeah, he could be thinking along the same lines.
post #1221 of 1265
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post


Yeah I mean as well as Brook did, this was very clearly a media/money grab fight. Looks good for a few rounds, makes a name for him and they stop the fight as soon as he looks in trouble.

I don't really know, I reckon Ward has a bit more to him. But yeah, he could be thinking along the same lines.

Andre Ward doesn't have that many ways of winning against Kovalev.  He is unlikely to beat him on output.  He has unimpressive power compared to Kovalev - certainly he'll have his work cut out for him to keep Kovalev's hands at home.  And it's unclear that the clinch is a good place for him.  Certainly, wrestling with the larger and stronger Kovalev will tire him out, even if we have no idea whether Kovalev can fight from the inside or not.  He also has a bit of rust left on him - he really has not fought that often, and though his last two fights were decisive, they were hardly awe-inspiring performances, which Kovalev seems to be getting more accurate with his punching, which is scary.  

 

Unless Andre Ward has some secret special Kung Fu that we've just never seen, he should probably be having deep, hard, thoughts about the quality of his management.  

 

Or maybe this is the money fight before he hangs them up.  I mean, it's not as though Ward seems to be type of fighter you just can't keep out of the ring.

post #1222 of 1265
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Andre Ward doesn't have that many ways of winning against Kovalev.  He is unlikely to beat him on output.  He has unimpressive power compared to Kovalev - certainly he'll have his work cut out for him to keep Kovalev's hands at home.  And it's unclear that the clinch is a good place for him.  Certainly, wrestling with the larger and stronger Kovalev will tire him out, even if we have no idea whether Kovalev can fight from the inside or not.  He also has a bit of rust left on him - he really has not fought that often, and though his last two fights were decisive, they were hardly awe-inspiring performances, which Kovalev seems to be getting more accurate with his punching, which is scary.  

Unless Andre Ward has some secret special Kung Fu that we've just never seen, he should probably be having deep, hard, thoughts about the quality of his management.  

Or maybe this is the money fight before he hangs them up.  I mean, it's not as though Ward seems to be type of fighter you just can't keep out of the ring.

I dunno, it's not quite as egregious as Brook-Golovkin, to me.

I mean yeah, Kovalev is bloody dangerous - much more dangerous than GGG, in my opinion.

But whereas Kell Brook wasn't really a dominant fighter in his division, Ward absolutely was.

I'm also not sure whether Ward really looked rusty in his last fights. I thought he looked fine. He never gets knockouts so that's not really an issue here.
post #1223 of 1265

If I was Brook, I would have scheduled this fight in Vegas. Probably could have gotten paid 2-3 times what he made in London. 

 

I really think they thought they were gonna win against GGG. 

post #1224 of 1265
Man, Golovkin looked like shit. He was getting hit a lot and was wild with his punches. He even followed Brook more often than cut the ring off. I assumed like most power punchers that Golovkin couldn't fight very well on the back foot. This performance proved it.

Brook proved me wrong by starting the fight off aggressive and fast. I thought he was actually going to try to use his legs a bit, kind of like how Mayweather fought Corrales or even follow what he was talking about in camp of how Leonard fought Hagler, but Brook was right in front of Golovkin teeing off.

I noticed that Brook has a very good jab that I thought he should have thrown a bit more. It's fast and well-timed, but I also noticed Golovkin throwing his own jab and timing Brook as well. Brook was landing his straight right, sweeping right hook, and even the uppercut once or twice, but he's just not a 160 lb fighter.

All in all, it was a very good effort by Brook. I actually want to see him in with Canelo at 154. People only pay attention to the knockouts, but Canelo is a lot more crafty than what many give him credit for. Canelo is naturally a combination counter puncher whose style is from a similar school as Nacho Beristain.

As far as Ward Kovalev, I think you're underestimating Ward. Kovalev has power, but Ward has shown that he has a solid chin. They've both been knocked down by Darnell Boone, and if we're to believe gym stories, Kovalev was getting worked over by Golovkin in sparring.

We all know Ward knows how to clinch, so if he's ever hurt in the fight, he'll know how to smother, headbutt, and hug for dear life to buy time for himself. I see Andre as from the same school as Mayweather and Hopkins - they're skilled at all three distances and know how to apply the tricks of the trade in their favor more than others.
Edited by Phrost - 9/10/16 at 6:15pm
post #1225 of 1265
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Man, Golovkin looked like shit. He was getting hit a lot and was wild with his punches. He even followed Brook more often than cut the ring off. I assumed like most power punchers that Golovkin couldn't fight very well on the back foot. This performance proved it.

Brook proved me wrong by starting the fight off aggressive and fast. I thought he was actually going to try to use his legs a bit, kind of like how Mayweather fought Corrales or even follow what he was talking about in camp of how Leonard fought Hagler, but Brook was right in front of Golovkin teeing off.

I noticed that Brook has a very good jab that I thought he should have thrown a bit more. It's fast and well-timed, but I also noticed Golovkin throwing his own jab and timing Brook as well. Brook was landing his straight right, sweeping right hook, and even the uppercut once or twice, but he's just not a 160 lb fighter.

All in all, it was a very good effort by Brook. I actually want to see him in with Canelo at 154. People only pay attention to the knockouts, but Canelo is a lot more crafty than what many give him credit for. Canelo is naturally a combination counter puncher whose style is from a similar school as Nacho Beristain.

As far as Ward Kovalev, I think you're underestimating Ward. Kovalev has power, but Ward has shown that he has a solid chin. They've both been knocked down by Darnell Boone, and if we're to believe gym stories, Kovalev was getting worked over by Golovkin in sparring.

We all know Ward knows how to clinch, so if he's ever hurt in the fight, he'll know how to smother, headbutt, and hug for dear life to buy time for himself. I see Andre as from the same school as Mayweather and Hopkins - they're skilled at all three distances and know how to apply the tricks of the trade in their favor more than others.

I think that the best that Ward will probably do is his Hopkins did. I think that Hopkins is a craftier, more cerebral, fighter, than Ward, and that Ward's considerable physical advantages over Hopkins could actually play to his detriment.

I see Ward as much more likely to get caught than Hopkins, and we all saw what a lopsided loss B.Hop had against Kovalev, even with his huge bag of tricks.
post #1226 of 1265
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Man, Golovkin looked like shit. He was getting hit a lot and was wild with his punches. He even followed Brook more often than cut the ring off. .

I really don't know how much we can read into this.

GGG said before the fight that he wanted to look bad so that Canelo would fight him. I mean obviously it's kinda a joke, but he was really in a lose-lose situation here, and it's kinda understandable that he was confused in his tactics through those early rounds.

He also had Brook hurt in the first round with that body shot. It's very possible he backed off and carried him for a bit, even if it didn't really look like it.
post #1227 of 1265
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If I was Brook, I would have scheduled this fight in Vegas. Probably could have gotten paid 2-3 times what he made in London. 

You think so?

Huge buzz in the UK boxing scene at the moment. Dunno if that translate to PPVs, but they would have got all of GGGs starved fans so I'm not sure.
post #1228 of 1265




but GGGs plan of getting hit and fighting wild got people wanting to fight him now






Eubanks is the same dude who got offered the same money as Brooks and priced himself out of the fight and now talking big.

Then Daniel Jacobs...
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Steve Kim ‏@steveucnlive 3h3 hours ago
OK, Andre Rozier called me( the trainer of Jacobs), after watching that, yeah, they absolutely want GGG next... #boxing
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Steve Kim ‏@steveucnlive 1h1 hour ago
OK, @GilberticoWBA just told me via DM," 120 days for GGG-Jacobs, 30 days negotiations period just started." #boxing

Same guy who didn't accept a $3m payday offer because he felt he is worth more when his last fight was $1.5m and instead fought Mora last night and probably making less than $1.5m.


Then did dude started talking again after pricing himself out to get away from GGG.

LL
post #1229 of 1265
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but GGGs plan of getting hit and fighting wild got people wanting to fight him now






Eubanks is the same dude who got offered the same money as Brooks and priced himself out of the fight and now talking big.

Then Daniel Jacobs...


Same guy who didn't accept a $3m payday offer because he felt he is worth more when his last fight was $1.5m and instead fought Mora last night and probably making less than $1.5m.


Then did dude started talking again after pricing himself out to get away from GGG.

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Haha yes, it's a win for both GGG and Brook in that sense.
post #1230 of 1265
It's weird though, I mean it's not like Golovkin has ever been a perfect fighter. He's always taken shots. So it shouldn't really change much from his competitors' point of view.
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