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post #1201 of 1271
Is anyone actually paying for the Vargas fight?
I saw that and thought "who the hell wants to see this matchup?"



I'm just excited about the Kovalev vs. Ward fight, and I think whoever wins can claim top 3 p4p status. They're both top 10 right now, IMO.
post #1202 of 1271
Lots of Pac fans out there that are still willing to pay for his matches.

Like a Mayweather rematch, many might say that "no one is going to watch that" but there is a big chance that half the people that watch the first fight will watch the next one and that is still big business for them.

Hell if even a quarter of that 4.4m ppv buys is going to make that fight plenty of money which I don't think anyone is even touching these days.

Canelo-GGG might makes 1m ppv buys, not sure Kovalev-Ward could though, probably in the ~700k-800k?

I think they're probably too embarrassed to report the Crawford.Postol numbers lol8[1].gif
post #1203 of 1271
I want to see Ward really tested in the Kovalev fight. In my eyes, he's still growing and trying new things out in each fight.

I'm curious to see how Ward will close the distance on Kovalev. Can he impose his will and bully Kovalev on the ropes, like he did with Froch?

Will Andre be able to use all of his tricks, like the headbutts, forearms, and shoulders to frustrate and land on Kovalev?

Can Kovalev keep Ward at that long/middle range he likes to fight at and successfully counter Ward when he tries to close the distance?

For me, Ward is the favorite. We've clearly seen more dimensions to his game than we have with Kovalev.

Imagine Ward closing the distance and roughing up the Big Bad Russian on the ropes, landing short shots on the inside and punishing Kovalev like a second rate fighter?

I can't wait!
post #1204 of 1271
I'd be very, very impressed with Ward if he can bully Kovalev because the dude simply cannot be pushed around. I still see Krusher being the aggressor in the fight and Ward just peppering him with jabs and a combo here and there then try to tie him up. Question if he is strong enough to tie him up effectively?

There is no doubt Ward has more talent, the thing that makes this a 50/50 to most is that he is moving up in weight and Kovalev has big power.

And apparently, if Ward has his way, he'd like to fight at heavyweight eventually.
post #1205 of 1271
HBO passes on Pacquiao vs Vargas fight, drops Pacquiao's contract

That sucks if it's true. HBO helped build Pacquiao's career in the US.

Even though Pacquiao isn't the draw he once was, Vargas is still a decent name opponent.

I wonder if it's because of the rumored budget cuts HBO Boxing has this year.

Even if it is, it's still a drastic move. It seems like they've lost all confidence in Pacquiao being a worthwhile attraction.
post #1206 of 1271
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Originally Posted by Phrost View Post

For me, Ward is the favorite. We've clearly seen more dimensions to his game than we have with Kovalev.

Imagine Ward closing the distance and roughing up the Big Bad Russian on the ropes, landing short shots on the inside and punishing Kovalev like a second rate fighter?

I can't wait!

I think that Ward is the favorite as well, but I think that we'll see 2 things early in the match:

 

1) Can Ward keep Kovalev honest enough that Kovalev will keep his hands at home a bit more?  If he can decrease Kovalev's output, he gives himself a considerably statistical advantage of not getting caught?

 

2) Can Ward get inside and rough up Kovalev and get him flustered?

 

If he can, I could see him even finishing the very aggressive Kovalev.  If not, we'll see.

post #1207 of 1271
this weekend





post #1208 of 1271
Golovkin by second-degree murder.

Brook's team are talking about following the Leonard/Hagler game plan, but Brook ain't no Ray Leonard.
post #1209 of 1271
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And apparently, if Ward has his way, he'd like to fight at heavyweight eventually.

Just read this, and my reaction is "WTF?"  He would be an incredibly undersized heavyweight.  So yes, that heavyweight division is hardly in a golden era, but still, Andre Ward is a much smaller fighter and has fought at much lower weight catagories than say, Evander Holyweight, who just had to move up one weight class from cruiser weight.  

 

I guess that we'll see.

post #1210 of 1271
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

Just read this, and my reaction is "WTF?"  He would be an incredibly undersized heavyweight.  So yes, that heavyweight division is hardly in a golden era, but still, Andre Ward is a much smaller fighter and has fought at much lower weight catagories than say, Evander Holyweight, who just had to move up one weight class from cruiser weight.  

I guess that we'll see.

Heavyweight division is also full of really oversized dudes that maximise the size advantage.
post #1211 of 1271
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Heavyweight division is also full of really oversized dudes that maximise the size advantage.

Yup.  He'll just get worn down, and probably get KO'd, regardless of his skill.  I can't see how Andre Ward could get out of a fight with Klitschko, for example.

post #1212 of 1271
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Yup.  He'll just get worn down, and probably get KO'd, regardless of his skill.  I can't see how Andre Ward could get out of a fight with Klitschko, for example.

Or even less proven guys like Jarell Miller, Luis Ortiz etc. It's not uncommon for these guys to have like a 20kg advantage, along with the huge reach advantage.

Kubrat Pulev man the list goes on.

It's already going to be hard enough for "normal" sized heavyweights like Parker.

There really should be a super-heavyweight division.
post #1213 of 1271
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There really should be a super-heavyweight division.

This really should happen.  After all, the cruiserweight division was created to address this specific issue, and people have grown even bigger now.

post #1214 of 1271
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This really should happen.  After all, the cruiserweight division was created to address this specific issue, and people have grown even bigger now.

Yup.

In other thoughts - are we likely to see a fight between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence in the future? I don't really think Crawford should try to get bigger, while Spence is already a pretty big welterweight so I doubt it will/should happen.

On the other side of the coin what will Kell Brook do after GGG - come back down and fight Spence? Can't see it happening.
post #1215 of 1271
I'm still surprised Brook is going to come in heavier than GGG. At 30 day Brook was 178 and GGG was 165?

With 7-days left, Brook was at 168 and GGG at 163.
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