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post #1186 of 1264
Didn't see the fight, still couldn't believe it was a PPV and I am curious how many buys it go.

I'll just watch the replay on HBO this weekend.
post #1187 of 1264
Looks like Luis Ortiz is going to leave Golden Boy.

Thank fuck. Ridiculous to have a top 10 heavyweight fighting on Canelo's undercard.
post #1188 of 1264
How did Ward look in his tune up fight? Did he show us anything that would change our predictions leading up to the Kovalev fight?

Is he better or worse since growing his hair out?
post #1189 of 1264
Ward was being Ward though it would have sent a good message if he was able to KO his 39 yr old opponent.

The way Kovalev underperformed in his last match, this was Wards chance to really get those 50/50 picks to go on his favor but it really was nothing more than a glorified sparring session.
post #1190 of 1264
It truly is a 50/50 fight, though. I can't wait!
post #1191 of 1264
Damn HBO is taking down streams...

From the highlights, it looked like the guy was severely outclassed. It's clear Andre has some pop from his fights with Dawson and the Cuban guy.

Could he have knocked the guy out if he really tried?

More importantly, will Andre come into the Kovalev fight with his head shaved or rock the taper fade?

I'm taking bets!
post #1192 of 1264
Looked like Ward was trying to get him out of there in the second half of the fight but just couldn't. I mean he had a slight head butt in the 12th which was one of the bigger risk in delaying his fight with Kovalev so he was trying to KO the guy. He should be relieved that the butt wasn't severe.

I think that is pretty much Kovalevs advantage though, his power, he hits something and it falls. Wards punches are sharper and he'd be difficult to hit but for Kovalev, it seems like all he really need is one punch. I'd probably put htis fight 51/49 in Wards favor as of now, Ward looks 100%.

Has Wards chin been tested? I don't remember.
post #1193 of 1264
Darnell Boone tested his chin and I'd be surprised if his chin is as good as Hopkins' or Chilemba's. But he's a better boxer than both of them.
Kovalev needs to establish his power and range early on, kinda what he did with Hopkins. And he most certainly has to be the aggressor to win on the cards.


Do you think it'll be an entertaining fight for casual fans?
I think that's what they need to worry about. There's no drama here besides two good boxers, who respect each other, going at it. Two boxers who aren't exactly popular with casuals. I'm kinda concerned that it won't sell many views.
post #1194 of 1264
Critics bring up Ward being knocked down by Boone, but what's funny is that Kovalev was knocked down in his fight against Boone as well.

Now that Andre is a little older and more flat-footed than he was in the Super Six, this is a more interesting fight that gives Kovalev more of a chance.

I personally find Ward entertaining to watch at times, especially when he's able to manhandle and bully guys on the inside.

Unless Kovalev hurts Ward and presents a constant threat to him, I have a feeling it'll be a routine performance for Ward.
post #1195 of 1264
Pacquiao v Jesse Vargas on Nov 5.


Kind of sad that Arum is going to ride Pac to death and then likely feed him to Crawford or whoever his next big star is once Pac can't go anymore.


Dude just needs to put his foot down and retire already.



Also, Brook actually outweighs GGG at the moment. I knew he was a bigger welter but damn.
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Fightnews.com

Brook outweighs Golovkin by 11 pounds

30 days out from their September 10 showdown in London, WBC/WBA/IBF middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin and IBF welterweight champion Kell Brook both took part in their WBC-mandated 30-Day weigh-ins.

Brook scaled in at 176 pounds, while GGG weighed 165 pounds. They both have to get down to 160 pounds or less by the official weigh-in on September 9.
post #1196 of 1264
It is sad, but that's how most boxers and a lot of athletes end up in their retirement: broke and severely past their primes.

Pacquiao needs to be more financially responsible. He's obviously allowing people to get free rides, which is probably prolonging his retirement.

I never bought much into pre-fight weights. These guys cut so much weight to gain advantages at the lower weight classes.

It'll be a shame to see the massacre of a very solid welterweight in Brook. I don't think it'll end in a clean, one punch KO like Canleo Khan either.

Golovkin seems to have thudding power that breaks you down. Let's hope it doesn't go on longer than it has to.
post #1197 of 1264
Brook being 176 now means he likely started camp at 180+? I am not eve sure dude could go back to the welter limit of 147 at this point.

Before someone accuses me of making an excuse for this fight but just maybe Brook has pretty much moved up because he can't make it back to welter or even light-middle? It is still a dumb move to go against GGG as your first outing in a new weight class though.
post #1198 of 1264
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Pacquiao v Jesse Vargas on Nov 5.


Kind of sad that Arum is going to ride Pac to death and then likely feed him to Crawford or whoever his next big star is once Pac can't go anymore.


Dude just needs to put his foot down and retire already.

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Originally Posted by Phrost View Post

It is sad, but that's how most boxers and a lot of athletes end up in their retirement: broke and severely past their primes.

Pacquiao needs to be more financially responsible. He's obviously allowing people to get free rides, which is probably prolonging his retirement.
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It's entirely down to Pacquiao, though, right? He can retire whenever he wants.

Surely the dude has made enough money. How much did he make from the Mayweather fight? Would easily last you or me a lifetime. And now he's a corrupt politician so he already has his career planned out. I guess it cost a lot giving out all those bribes though.

He is still a decent fighter and one of the few guys out there willing to fight the next generation of good boxers.
post #1199 of 1264
Didn't Tyson have a net worth of $300 million at one point in time?

We know the story all too well of rich athletes blowing away their fortune. From what we've seen on the 24/7 specials, Pacquiao doesn't like to say no to people either.

I recently read an article where Pacquiao said
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Boxing is my main source of income. I can't rely on my salary as public official...I'm helping the family of my wife and my own family, as well. Many people also come to me to ask for help and I just couldn't ignore them.

That doesn't sound like someone who's as financially secure as we assume, especially when he supports all of the stragglers he has around.

I don't want to see Pacquiao tarnish his legacy by prolonging his career, but unfortunately that's how most boxers leave the sport.
post #1200 of 1264
Pac also had tax problems and unlike Mayweather who promotes himself and gets to keep all the money he makes, Manny only gets 30% (i think, maybe even less) of the purse from that big showdown and Arum got the bulk of it.

Pac is still very skilled and he is still a big threat to most his weight class, even against Crawford and I think it should be an easy win against Vargas but I just don't want to see dude get hurt.

In the end it is up to him to say no to Arum and stay retired but dude might just be too nice to say no for his own good.

Edit: apparently he signed a 3-fight contract starting with Vargas and two more next year. Mayweather still a possibility apparently but I see Arum just feeding Manny to Crawford to pump up his next cash cow.
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