Anyone know how the police hiring-process polygraph test works?

Unbreakable · Nov 1, 2009

meh, Polygraphs are bullshit. If you believe they are going to work they will, but if you believe they are bullshit then you're golden. And like someone else said, its more about the guy asking you the questions than anything.

Penn & Teller did an awesome show on polys.

rach2jlc · Nov 1, 2009

Originally Posted by longskate88

...But say you were never caught, no criminal record.
Then it's not really stealing, now is it? You could just as easily have been borrowing it, valet parking it, or just playing a funny practical joke on the owner!!!

FidelCashflow · Nov 1, 2009

Remember what George told Jerry on the classic Seinfeld episode about lie detectors "It's not a lie if you believe it"

Hayling · Nov 1, 2009

Check out the officer.com forums...good resource.

And the stuff these guys are saying about the polygraph is pretty much true. I'm taking my poly next week.

x26 · Nov 1, 2009

Originally Posted by Hayling

Check out the officer.com forums...good resource.

And the stuff these guys are saying about the polygraph is pretty much true. I'm taking my poly next week.

Local, State or Federal??
Alphabet Agency??

mikej77 · Nov 1, 2009

Originally Posted by Unbreakable

meh, Polygraphs are bullshit. If you believe they are going to work they will, but if you believe they are bullshit then you're golden. And like someone else said, its more about the guy asking you the questions than anything.

Not quite. Contrary to what you've seen in movies or on tv, they are quite an effective tool and thinking they are bullshit will not help you pass....thats laughable.

AR_Six · Nov 1, 2009

They are not admissible in any court anyway. But of course they can take your answers and begin an investigation if they become suspicious. Just as they can begin an investigation based on any other inadmissible evidence, like hearsay. If they then turn up evidence that is admissible that you did commit the crime, they can try to convict you with that.

Hayling · Nov 2, 2009

Originally Posted by x26

Local, State or Federal??
Alphabet Agency??

Not that glamorous unfortunately. Non-law enforcement position with the NSA.

Sworn law enforcement has always been an interest of mine, just have to decide whether the significant pay cut is worth it. Cops don't get payed dick

slycedbred · Nov 2, 2009

Originally Posted by mikej77

Not quite. Contrary to what you've seen in movies or on tv, they are quite an effective tool and thinking they are bullshit will not help you pass....thats laughable.

Please tell me, if your disposition does not change one bit between a lie and a truth...how the **** is it going to tell the difference? Oh wait, don't tell me...the all powerful genius administrator will get ya! Right.

globetrotter · Nov 2, 2009

Originally Posted by slycedbred

Please tell me, if your disposition does not change one bit between a lie and a truth...how the **** is it going to tell the difference? Oh wait, don't tell me...the all powerful genius administrator will get ya! Right.

I don't think that you will find anybody you know, who hasn't trained at beating a polygraph, who can walk into a test and beat it. and I would say that 90% of people who wanted to try to train at it wouldn't be able to.

so, yes, it is beatable. to suggest that you can walk in and will yourself to beat it is extremly optimistic and unrealistic.

seriously - how many of you guys who are voicing opinions have actually taken a polygraph? how many of you have witnessed a few polygraphs?

longskate88 · Nov 2, 2009

Originally Posted by globetrotter

I don't think that you will find anybody you know, who hasn't trained at beating a polygraph, who can walk into a test and beat it. and I would say that 90% of people who wanted to try to train at it wouldn't be able to.

so, yes, it is beatable. to suggest that you can walk in and will yourself to beat it is extremly optimistic and unrealistic.

seriously - how many of you guys who are voicing opinions have actually taken a polygraph? how many of you have witnessed a few polygraphs?

By "training," do you simply mean believing your lies, or other tactics such as the thumb tac in your shoe? Seems like simply believing your lies would work, as in " I never stole the car" and actually believing that yourself

Douglas · Nov 2, 2009

Originally Posted by longskate88

By "training," do you simply mean believing your lies, or other tactics such as the thumb tac in your shoe? Seems like simply believing your lies would work, as in " I never stole the car" and actually believing that yourself

piece of cake! listen to this guy - he must be a pro.

longskate88 · Nov 2, 2009

Originally Posted by Douglas

piece of cake! listen to this guy - he must be a pro.

Haha, it's a question, not a statement. I'm asking if that is the trick to fooling the, or something else.

Tck13 · Nov 2, 2009

Originally Posted by Hayling

Not that glamorous unfortunately. Non-law enforcement position with the NSA.

Sworn law enforcement has always been an interest of mine, just have to decide whether the significant pay cut is worth it. Cops don't get payed dick

I've considered LE and after doing some research into different local LE departments, some get paid quite well.

It just seems to be dependent on where one goes.

Near me, Philadelphia / NYC gets paid in the low to mid $30's while surrounding areas start around $60k. A couple of guys that I work out with are local cops and with minimal OT they're making in the low $70k.

longskate88 · Nov 2, 2009

Originally Posted by Tck13

I've considered LE and after doing some research into different local LE departments, some get paid quite well.

It just seems to be dependent on where one goes.

Near me, Philadelphia / NYC gets paid in the low to mid $30's while surrounding areas start around $60k. A couple of guys that I work out with are local cops and with minimal OT they're making in the low $70k.

Low $30's? Gosh, seems awful low. I've done ride-alongs and research here in SoCal, and PD seem to start at mid $40's base pay, but usually end up at least at mid $50's due to overtime, etc. That's just first year. CHP made about $10K more, plus the retirement plan for all PD is great.

Personally, all the cops I know are doing just fine money wise. Most say the beaurocracy is the hardest part to get over, none mentioned low pay. A sheriff I know is in his mid 50's, and making $170K in retirement per year.

Anyone know how the police hiring-process polygraph test works?

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