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Why does Scott Fitzgerald repeat this phrase in both Babylon Revisited and Tender is the Night? Can an author plagiarize his own work?
post #2 of 13
No, you can't plagiarize yourself. You can however, quote yourself. And that's exactly what he did.

Jon.
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Originally Posted by imageWIS
No, you can't plagiarize yourself. You can however, quote yourself. And that's exactly what he did.

Jon.

Why?
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Why?

Chuck Norris, he won't allow it.

Jon.
post #5 of 13
Maybe had had wit-block for a while.
post #6 of 13
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Homer used the phrase "wine-dark" to describe blood all over the Iliad. Maybe Fitzgerald was attempting to color his work in this classical manner. But to only do it once. It strikes me as an accident, unintentional.
post #7 of 13
Fitzgerald seemed fond of colorful prose, eggs and all. His style is entirely distinctive.
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Originally Posted by johnapril
Homer used the phrase "wine-dark" to describe blood all over the Iliad. Maybe Fitzgerald was attempting to color his work in this classical manner. But to only do it once. It strikes me as an accident, unintentional.

He also used it to describe the sea in the Odyssey, the plot thickens. (Actually, Homer's use is a device that is used in oral epic poetry)
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He also used it to describe the sea in the Odyssey, the plot thickens. (Actually, Homer's use is a device that is used in oral epic poetry)

Thank you for the term. I noticed in both of Fitzgerald's stories there is an element of incest, and the revelation of the incest is made soon after this particularly colorful phrasing. Does anyone know what the neon lights might have been a reference to in 1920s Paris?
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Originally Posted by johnapril
Homer used the phrase "wine-dark" to describe blood all over the Iliad. Maybe Fitzgerald was attempting to color his work in this classical manner. But to only do it once. It strikes me as an accident, unintentional.

didn't he use that to describe the sea, as well?
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didn't he use that to describe the sea, as well?

Yes, everything was pretty much wine-dark.
post #12 of 13
Fitzgerald was a pretty gifted symbolist. Remember Jay Gatsby staring off into the distance at the green light situated on the end of Daisy's dock in East Egg? In this case, I think Fitz used green to describe the American Dream of wealth and prestige, embodied in Daisy. The Valley of Ashes? Dr. Eckleburg's eyes?
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Fitzgerald was a pretty gifted symbolist. Remember Jay Gatsby staring off into the distance at the green light situated on the end of Daisy's dock in East Egg? In this case, I think Fitz used green to describe the American Dream of wealth and prestige, embodied in Daisy. The Valley of Ashes? Dr. Eckleburg's eyes?

Yes, like that. I had thought perhaps the red, blue, and green might refer to a red light district. And that might foreshadow the mentioning of incest in the plot.
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