Originally Posted by aportnoy
Not second rate, just not the greatest to have played. Is the ultimate goal of team sports to win championships or amass statistics? I feel that those who accomplisehd both deserve the designation as the best ever.
Also, Bonds' performance in the post season, until quite recently, has been middling, at best.
Check out Mantle and Ruth's post season numbers.
Are we discussing players or teams? It is the mission of a team in professional sports to make the owners money. The history of MLB franchises and their behaviors tends to prove that. It is questionable whther the mission of a professional team is to win championships. This might be the mission in the mind of a fan. Also in small markets teams need to win trophies for survival and a need to up season ticket subscription. But the most valuable teams in the last decade, with one or two glaring exceptions, exist in the biggest markets and have some of the worst records.
Your feelings are well noted, most people dont want to be reminded of losing seasons for teams. For instance, Im not a big fan of reliving 2001 WS moments. But that is a fan's feelings. From a players point of view it is different. Look at A-Rod winning MVP on a terrible Texas team 4 years ago. Roger Clemens was having a Cy Young season when he first joined the Astros.
Teams usually only issue books and tapes or dvds in championship seasons which might beg the idea that only championship years are worth anything if you go by what is avaialble in old bookstores. I do believe that especially in the modern sports era, winning a championship revolves around so many factors that it just cant be placed on the shoulders of a player to be only great if he wins one. BArry Sanders shoulda, Ewing shoulda as well
Will LeBron stick around to win one for Cleveland? Does anyone give a damn that the Marlins have won two? Will A-Rod not be an all time sports god if the Bombers dont win another one while he is in the Bronx?
Stay tuned next post...
A palyer's role is to be the best he can under the circumstances. Perhaps imbuing team spirit is a goal but being a leader isn't a pressure id ever heard of. I respect good players on bad teams. Thats Barry Sanders, thats
And to respond to Tiger
, Barry Bonds, not Ruth or Mays is again the only player in the history of baseball to completely alter the game dynamic, thats a fact. Ruth did not, although yes his post season record was excellent, but Ruth also played on some of the "all time" Yankee teams.
I dont really like Barry Bonds that much, his attitude is crap but he is without doubt the single most strategy changing force in the history of the sport. His walks, intentional walks, obp and his practical certainty to smack any ball out of the park that is in the strike zone is without equal. Maybe, maybe Satchel Paige or Ryan are runners up in terms of game changing dynamics.