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post #9706 of 9842
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Originally Posted by AThingForCashmere View Post
Nothing would prevent anyone from participating in both groups. Like yourself, I'm a mixed bag of political ideology. I'm sure most of us are. But again, the idea is to let the topic of each thread determine where it's posted, not to limit any of us to one group or the other.

This would appear to conflict with the following:

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...I believe SF should consider subdividing the CE Forum and creating two separate forums, specifically for political discussions, one for Republicans and the other for Democrats, or one for conservatives and the other for liberals, or any similar designation that would give both SF's existing core of longtime conservative/Republican participants, and liberal participants, a friendly, supportive place to discuss politics amongst themselves without upsetting the other group. If a liberal barges into the conservative group and starts creating problems (or vice-versa), it should be viewed as thread shitting.

If nothing else, it's extraordinarily subjective, and enforcing it would create more problems than it solves. Instead of the current bickering, we'd end up with posts in TransMod complaining about how some xx ideologue was shitting on a yy thread, only to have that ideologue argue he was simply disagreeing.

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I'm in complete agreement with this. I'm the same way, and always try to surround myself with people who disagree politically with me.

Again, then, I ask what the difference between thread shitting and disagreement is, and how creating two subfora, between which there is free movement, would solve the problem. This recommendation would result either in the complete segregation of differing political ideologies, or it would maintain the status quo, only people would know they can visit subforum xx if they want to agree with everyone or yy if they want to argue.

I want to reiterate the fact that I'd like to see a more civil CE (I agree with ATC!?), but I just don't think it can be created through moderation that wouldn't do more harm than good.
post #9707 of 9842
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post
Again, then, I ask what the difference between thread shitting and disagreement is, and how creating two subfora, between which there is free movement, would solve the problem. This recommendation would result either in the complete segregation of differing political ideologies, or it would maintain the status quo, only people would know they can visit subforum xx if they want to agree with everyone or yy if they want to argue. I want to reiterate the fact that I'd like to see a more civil CE (I agree with ATC!?), but I just don't think it can be created through moderation that wouldn't do more harm than good.
If you have other ideas to facilitate a more civil CE, I think (or at least hope) the mods would be open to them.
post #9708 of 9842
I would like to propose a split of the Trans Mod Thread into 2 subthreads. One will be the actual Transparent Mod threak, where mods post bannings and people can report tech issues. The other will be the one for petty debates, tattle-taling, and threadshitting. We can start by moving this post there.
post #9709 of 9842
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post
I would like to propose a split of the Trans Mod Thread into 2 subthreads. One will be the actual Transparent Mod threak, where mods post bannings and people can report tech issues. The other will be the one for petty debates, tattle-taling, and threadshitting. We can start by moving this post there.
I'd go further and propose doing away with the Trans Mod concept altogether. It amounts to a circle jerk, and encourages selective enforcement of what should be consistently enforced rules.
post #9710 of 9842
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Originally Posted by AThingForCashmere View Post
I'd go further and propose doing away with the Trans Mod concept altogether. It amounts to a circle jerk, and encourages selective enforcement of what should be consistently enforced rules.
You are full of fantastic ideas. Have you considered starting your own forum, somewhere else?
post #9711 of 9842
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post
You are full of fantastic ideas. Have you considered starting your own forum, somewhere else?
I'm trying to be a part of the solution here on SF instead of part of the problem.
post #9712 of 9842
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Originally Posted by AThingForCashmere View Post
If you have other ideas to facilitate a more civil CE, I think (or at least hope) the mods would be open to them.

I don't. I just think CE is what happens when you get a bunch of people together who have strong viewpoints and a place to express them in semi-anonymity.

I also try to avoid advising the mods. This is not my forum, and I don't run a forum, so I don't really feel qualified to give them advice. If I did have some bit of advice, I wouldn't provide it in front of the rest of the forum, I would do it via PM, as I don't think it's appropriate to call out the people who provide me a service I enjoy at zero cost. I don't mean to kiss ass, but I think the mods do a great job, and I'm certainly not presumptuous enough to go around telling them how I would remake SF.
post #9713 of 9842
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post
I don't. I just think CE is what happens when you get a bunch of people together who have strong viewpoints and a place to express them in semi-anonymity. I also try to avoid advising the mods. This is not my forum, and I don't run a forum, so I don't really feel qualified to give them advice. If I did have some bit of advice, I wouldn't provide it in front of the rest of the forum, I would do it via PM, as I don't think it's appropriate to call out the people who provide me a service I enjoy at zero cost. I don't mean to kiss ass, but I think the mods do a great job, and I'm certainly not presumptuous enough to go around telling them how I would remake SF.
IMO the primary goal of any proposed changes should be to make their job easier. If the mods don't think a problem exists with CE in its current form, I apologize for even bringing it up.
post #9714 of 9842
Your proposal wouldn't make things easier. If opposing parties visit each others fora and are thus 'threadshitting' a higher power would be needed to intervene. This would mean more work, not less work.

Moving threads to yet another subforum, would mean more work, not less. Banning me/us because I/we went on after Js warning means more work, not less...
post #9715 of 9842
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Originally Posted by AThingForCashmere View Post
At this point I'm hoping to hear from a mod on the idea. I'm in no way saying SF (or any other privately owned/operated forum) should not have its own political bent, the problem is that newcomers don't know about this bent, and liberal members are reduced to carrying on political discussions via PMs.

Given j's and mat's comments, I'm posting my response to this as a separate dumb thread.
post #9716 of 9842
Please ban this lawyerdad jerk, who is slinging commie accusations like some modern-day McCarthyite goon.
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STFU, you commie. It was a trap. You fell right into it.
post #9717 of 9842
seriously all this bickering and bitching is getting a little played out
post #9718 of 9842
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post
Please ban this lawyerdad jerk, who is slinging commie accusations like some modern-day McCarthyite goon.

post #9719 of 9842
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Originally Posted by oneeightyseven View Post
seriously all this bickering and bitching is getting a little played out

Hey. If you can't stand the heat get back under the porch.
post #9720 of 9842
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Originally Posted by AThingForCashmere View Post
I respectfully submit the following:

From what I can see, nearly all the ongoing flaming and angst in the CE Forum result from political discussions and political differences among users. To reduce this problem I believe SF should consider subdividing the CE Forum and creating two separate forums, specifically for political discussions, one for Republicans and the other for Democrats, or one for conservatives and the other for liberals, or any similar designation that would give both SF's existing core of longtime conservative/Republican participants, and liberal participants, a friendly, supportive place to discuss politics amongst themselves without upsetting the other group. If a liberal barges into the conservative group and starts creating problems (or vice-versa), it should be viewed as thread shitting.


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