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post #9691 of 9842
Q: would anyone like to hazard a guess as to what my pet hate as a mod is?

A: When one of the Modstapo, in this case The Man Himself posts something like this:

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Originally Posted by j View Post
Enough, this conversation is over. Let's try to keep endless chatter out of this thread.

and everyone assumes that we are talking to someone else and goes right back on their merry way with whatever the topic of chit chat was before.
post #9692 of 9842
I respectfully submit the following: From what I can see, nearly all the ongoing flaming and angst in the CE Forum result from political discussions and political differences among users. To reduce this problem I believe SF should consider subdividing the CE Forum and creating two separate forums, specifically for political discussions, one for Republicans and the other for Democrats, or one for conservatives and the other for liberals, or any similar designation that would give both SF's existing core of longtime conservative/Republican participants, and liberal participants, a friendly, supportive place to discuss politics amongst themselves without upsetting the other group. If a liberal barges into the conservative group and starts creating problems (or vice-versa), it should be viewed as thread shitting.
post #9693 of 9842
Very bad idea, Im not to worried it's gonna happen though ^
post #9694 of 9842
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Originally Posted by AThingForCashmere View Post
I respectfully submit the following:

From what I can see, nearly all the ongoing flaming and angst in the CE Forum result from political discussions and political differences among users. To reduce this problem I believe SF should consider subdividing the CE Forum and creating two separate forums, specifically for political discussions, one for Republicans and the other for Democrats, or one for conservatives and the other for liberals, or any similar designation that would give both SF's existing core of longtime conservative/Republican participants, and liberal participants, a friendly, supportive place to discuss politics amongst themselves without upsetting the other group. If a liberal barges into the conservative group and starts creating problems (or vice-versa), it should be viewed as thread shitting.

I agree. The best way for a person to learn about another person's experiences and viewpoints is to stay as far away from them as possible. This is how I learned math; I just didn't even open the book. Hell, I didn't even enter the room when the book was there.

Snark aside, and beyond the fact that I think it's absurd to split the forum that way, it would be a logistical nightmare. Who decides who posts in which subforum? Also, what if someone, like me, doesn't fit into the binary political arrangement you've provided? I'm not a Republican or a Democrat, nor am I conservative or liberal. My political ideology is a mix of American liberal and conservatism, and I'm not the only one in CE who thinks that way. The number of potential ideological combinations of fora is almost limitless, and there's really not a sound way to split them up.
post #9695 of 9842
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Originally Posted by AThingForCashmere View Post
I respectfully submit the following:

From what I can see, nearly all the ongoing flaming and angst in the CE Forum result from political discussions and political differences among users. To reduce this problem I believe SF should consider subdividing the CE Forum and creating two separate forums, specifically for political discussions, one for Republicans and the other for Democrats, or one for conservatives and the other for liberals, or any similar designation that would give both SF's existing core of longtime conservative/Republican participants, and liberal participants, a friendly, supportive place to discuss politics amongst themselves without upsetting the other group. If a liberal barges into the conservative group and starts creating problems (or vice-versa), it should be viewed as thread shitting.

that idea is extremely gay.
post #9696 of 9842
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Originally Posted by scarphe View Post
that idea is extremely gay.

That is insulting to gays. The idea is just plain stupid.
post #9697 of 9842
I'd like to hear from a mod on the suggestion. If two political groups is a bad idea, at least create one, to offload all the catfighting from CE.
post #9698 of 9842
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post
I agree. The best way for a person to learn about another person's experiences and viewpoints is to stay as far away from them as possible. This is how I learned math; I just didn't even open the book. Hell, I didn't even enter the room when the book was there. Snark aside, and beyond the fact that I think it's absurd to split the forum that way, it would be a logistical nightmare. Who decides who posts in which subforum? Also, what if someone, like me, doesn't fit into the binary political arrangement you've provided? I'm not a Republican or a Democrat, nor am I conservative or liberal. My political ideology is a mix of American liberal and conservatism, and I'm not the only one in CE who thinks that way. The number of potential ideological combinations of fora is almost limitless, and there's really not a sound way to split them up.
CE at any given point in time is like reading an online version of the Sean Hannity Show. Are you claiming the authors of these posts simply won't know which of the two political groups to participate in? I find that claim absolutely absurd.
post #9699 of 9842
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Originally Posted by AThingForCashmere View Post
I'd like to hear from a mod on the suggestion. If two political groups is a bad idea, at least create one, to offload all the catfighting from CE.

Do you mean creating an "American Politics" sub-forum? Hmmmm....that would certainly separate some of the more incendiary threads from CE but it wouldn't really do anything to stem the mud-slinging, would it?
post #9700 of 9842
At this point I'm hoping to hear from a mod on the idea. I'm in no way saying SF (or any other privately owned/operated forum) should not have its own political bent, the problem is that newcomers don't know about this bent, and liberal members are reduced to carrying on political discussions via PMs.
post #9701 of 9842
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Originally Posted by AThingForCashmere View Post
I'd like to hear from a mod on the suggestion. If two political groups is a bad idea, at least create one, to offload all the catfighting from CE.

I thought it wasn't so bad here, compared to some other forums. Someone told me so, recently.

Anyways, if such a subforum is created I'd like an extra one for D66 members. And not a one of yous may post there, unless I've seen your membership card!
post #9702 of 9842
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Originally Posted by AThingForCashmere View Post
CE at any given point in time is like reading an online version of the Sean Hannity Show. Are you claiming the authors of these posts simply won't know which of the two political groups to participate in? I find that claim absolutely absurd.

I'm claiming that you can't create two subfora and expect that to cover everyone. Political ideology isn't as binary as many people seem to believe. This would make it impossible to find two subfora that would be inclusive of all the current CE folks. I'm also claiming that it would be impossible to moderate, and your framing of my political ideology is a perfect example of this. You continue to insist that I'm some sort of right-wing Republican, and this is simply not true. However, by your logic I would be forced to post in a Repub forum, which would likely be at odds with a significant portion of my ideology, or be accused of threadshitting. Political ideology is an internal concept, and it would be ridiculous to have mods, or anyone else, deciding who qualifies for which group.

Lastly, and maybe this was hidden in the snark from my original post on the matter, but I don't believe separating myself from people with whom I disagree is a constructive approach to life. My best friend in the world and I are diametrically opposed when it comes to politics, and I look forward to debating him more than anyone I know. I find value in disagreements, and I have nothing to gain by spending my CE time having my viewpoints reinforced rather than challenged. Would I like to see some of the ugliness in CE go away? Absolutely, but I'm not willing to segregate myself in order to see that happen.
post #9703 of 9842
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Originally Posted by AThingForCashmere View Post
At this point I'm hoping to hear from a mod on the idea. I'm in no way saying SF (or any other privately owned/operated forum) should not have its own political bent, the problem is that newcomers don't know about this bent, and liberal members are reduced to carrying on political discussions via PMs.
well now youare the that want soemtign confusing, liberal means left wing only in american usage, so you will may have alot non us citizens who consdier themslelves liberal come in and be wonderfully suprised. what if someone like hayek or mises went into the liberal forum?
post #9704 of 9842
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Originally Posted by AThingForCashmere View Post
I respectfully submit the following:

From what I can see, nearly all the ongoing flaming and angst in the CE Forum result from political discussions and political differences among users. To reduce this problem I believe SF should consider subdividing the CE Forum and creating two separate forums, specifically for political discussions, one for Republicans and the other for Democrats, or one for conservatives and the other for liberals, or any similar designation that would give both SF's existing core of longtime conservative/Republican participants, and liberal participants, a friendly, supportive place to discuss politics amongst themselves without upsetting the other group. If a liberal barges into the conservative group and starts creating problems (or vice-versa), it should be viewed as thread shitting.

Who gets to decide who is "conservative/Republican" and who is "liberal"? Let me guess...

And basically, all this describes is a self-enforced circle jerk. It seems to me that if Matt, Justin, emptym, whacked, Manton, eg1, Rach, philosophe and myself can all get along (just to list several people with various political/economic beliefs) the problem is not so much with diversity of thought, but rather the inability of some people to politely discuss their positions with other folks that don't march in lock step with them. Trust me, if Justin-the-union-thug and Piobaire-the-union-stomper can get along cordially, it can be done by people of all lines of thought. It just can't be done by close minded ideologues.
post #9705 of 9842
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post
I'm claiming that you can't create two subfora and expect that to cover everyone. Political ideology isn't as binary as many people seem to believe. This would make it impossible to find two subfora that would be inclusive of all the current CE folks. I'm also claiming that it would be impossible to moderate, and your framing of my political ideology is a perfect example of this. You continue to insist that I'm some sort of right-wing Republican, and this is simply not true. However, by your logic I would be forced to post in a Repub forum, which would likely be at odds with a significant portion of my ideology, or be accused of threadshitting. Political ideology is an internal concept, and it would be ridiculous to have mods, or anyone else, deciding who qualifies for which group.
Nothing would prevent anyone from participating in both groups. Like yourself, I'm a mixed bag of political ideology. I'm sure most of us are. But again, the idea is to let the topic of each thread determine where it's posted, not to limit any of us to one group or the other.
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post
Lastly, and maybe this was hidden in the snark from my original post on the matter, but I don't believe separating myself from people with whom I disagree is a constructive approach to life. My best friend in the world and I are diametrically opposed when it comes to politics, and I look forward to debating him more than anyone I know. I find value in disagreements, and I have nothing to gain by spending my CE time having my viewpoints reinforced rather than challenged. Would I like to see some of the ugliness in CE go away? Absolutely, but I'm not willing to segregate myself in order to see that happen.
I'm in complete agreement with this. I'm the same way, and always try to surround myself with people who disagree politically with me.
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