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Originally Posted by AndrewRyanWallace View Post
Rach. Normally I agree with you when it comes to political things but you're committing intentional fallacy here. The meme has been going for a while, there are hundreds of variations on youtube. It's just funny because it's Hitler spazzing out, generally over something anachronistic. I've shown this video to a lot of people, a few of whom happen to be serious Dems...none of them seemed to feel like they were being compared to nazis or Hitler after watching the vid. Do you really think it's a philosophical danger or a political move, bringing in Hitler with this current event? As for the whole nazi discussion...maybe I am just too young, or too desensitized by contemporary culture/media/whatever else, but I grew up in a Jewish family with Jewish friends and went to a Jewish nursery school. I have friends in Israel. I had relatives who died in concentration camps as I know a number of posters who have written in the last couple of pages of this thread also had. But to me, getting upset over hearing the word "nazi" used as a joke is kind of the worst thing you can do. It's things like this that lead to censorship and feelings of guilt. Not only that but I feel like making it into a "he who must named be named" situation almost keeps the atrocities alive in a way that is not historical, culturally significant or constructive in any way. I dunno, it's a tricky issues, obviously there have to be limits, I wouldn't try to explain the Seinfeld soup-nazi episode to a holocaust survivor. At the same time, I think we need to take things into context and it's sometimes hard to know someone's intention through the computer screen but generally I think if you're on an internet forum you need to be prepared for certain things. I hope I haven't offended anyone with my half-baked ramblings, just my two cents.
Fair enough. It appears I'm the only one who can't get exactly what's so funny about it BENEATH the dubbing, so I'll admit that maybe I'm misinterpreting it/reading it wrong. Nevertheless, I do think that given how fast and easy people forget, to some idiot kids Hitler is "that crazy guy on Youtube with the funny dubbing." Think it sounds far fetched? I had students in Japan who didn't even know what Emperor Hirohito looked like (I was reading the Herbert Bix bio in the teacher's room one day and had several kids say, "hey, who's that? He looks Japanese!") and this was the man who fifty years ago was semi-divine and in whose name WWII was fought. Anyway, like I said, I was trying to make a distinction, but I guess I'm the only one seeing it and might be wrong.
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No. No chance.
I hope you're right, but it's a big difference to say "Ah, I can get fired for saying the wrong thing about Hitler" and really understanding why Hitler was a monster. I don't see that there is necessarily a good job of historically teaching the 20th century as much as their is a PC push that categorizing "evil" and understanding it are the same thing to young people who have Wii and 7 square meals a day. If anything, the inherent "you can't say that!" about Hitler perhaps is what fuels people to use him as a meme. I don't think a lot of young people really "get" what he or Stalin or pol Pot or others really did, and the "naughty" jokes they make about him (innocently) are sort of because people just TELL them they "can't" say those things.
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post
I honestly can't really read the MC forum anymore. I'm sort of curious to know, every once in a while, what the big fights are all about. But I go in and read a thread top to bottom and I have no idea what anyone is talking about. I can't even tell what side people are on! I'm halfheartedly interested in knowing what got FNB banned but I would probably read the post and not have a clue what he was talking about.
Agreed. Foo is doing his part to ruin it.
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Originally Posted by rach2jlc View Post
Nevertheless, I do think that given how fast and easy people forget, to some idiot kids Hitler is "that crazy guy on Youtube with the funny dubbing." Think it sounds far fetched? I had students in Japan who didn't even know what Emperor Hirohito looked like (I was reading the Herbert Bix bio in the teacher's room one day and had several kids say, "hey, who's that? He looks Japanese!") and this was the man who fifty years ago was semi-divine and in whose name WWII was fought.
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Think that's bad? Most of the Japanese students who have come through my center -- including one businessman in his early 40s -- couldn't even name the current emperor! (I could, though.)
post #9154 of 9842
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Originally Posted by rach2jlc View Post
I'm not meaning to beat a dead horse/keep this going... but even if it was made innocently not as an anti-Obama/anti-America jab, but just as a way to play with the meme... that it's still a little bit bothersome in what it says? Look at what Hitler's SAYING and things he said he did. He's basically speaking as a person in the Democratic Base, disappointed with Obama. Jokes are jokes, but WHAT are you guys laughing at?

I didn't memorize the thing but two jokes [to me] jump to my mind.

1. Where he says he never gives anything yet he donated (his time?) to Obama and it was a waste.

2. He says no wonder Obama doesn't want to release his grades. Bush got Cs but Obama must have failed lunch.

That second one really made me laugh. It's obviously not even applicable cause Obama's a smart guy and I think Bush is dumb as rocks but it was still bloody funny to me.

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I just think that our natural predilection for finding foreign languages dubbed with made-up subtitles funny is getting in the way of something that really isn't funny... in THIS CASE.

You didn't think it's funny and while I don't think what Hitler did to the Jews is to be laughed at in any way, I still think that subtitled clip is funny.

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I just really want you guys to explain what is funny about it, except 1) it's funny to play with subtitles.

Done. However, I admit that I like what can be considered stupid humor such as Family Guy (and there's a long thread on this where people say they don't think it's at all funny), South Park, etc. GQGeek (I think) made a comment in the thread that when he first saw the vid posted he thought "oh no, not this again" or something along those lines and I responded that I felt the same way cause I've seen maybe 3 or 4 of those subtitled videos and the "novelty" of it has worn off for me. But I gave this one a shot and I did end up laughing.
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
It was funny, though. There is, apparently, an Internet meme to take exactly that scene from some German movie (I don't even know the title) and then write subtitled dialogue on the theme of "delivering bad news to an insane person." There must be hundreds of these efforts now. Sometimes the writing is very good. And if Hitler is never funny does that mean it is wrong to like The Producers? (The original, not the musical.)
The movie is called Downfall. It is a seriously great film.
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Okay, I just watched it TWO more times. We're just going to have to agree to disagree. Maybe I'll buy why some of the other incarnations might be funny (like football or whatever,) but not with this Brown one. Anyway, sorry mods for derailing the thread; I know it's not the purpose of TML&ST for discussions like this.
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
Our Facebook presence will be used to make announcements (e.g. forum is going down for maintenance... no, not really) and also to link to "Best of" threads, for PSAs, etc... Hopefully, members will also get to know one another through FB as well. Obviously, we are still experimenting with the thing.

LOLS! I just wasted a good 10 mins seeing who I could recognize on that FB page.
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Originally Posted by Connemara View Post
Agreed. Foo is doing his part to ruin it.

You're jealous of the Foo?
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Originally Posted by rach2jlc View Post
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There is also a bit of absurdism in the whole thing. Again the twitchy weirdness of Hitler talking about football makes for a slightly surreal image.

But in any case, rach I can see where you're coming from. I guess in my minds it's just a meme. I've certainly given far more thought about it in this thread then in the 30 or seconds of my life I'd spent watching it.
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Rach, one pet peeve of mine is "Commie Hah Hah" like Che shirts and the KGB Bar in Lower Manhattan. Not funny, to me.

But I still think the Hitler thing is funny. If they had a Stalin clip and used that, I would probably think that was funny too.
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Sorry, the Hitler clip was funny. The 'failed lunch' thing among others, along with the general flipping-outness of the whole thing and basically saying what a lot of people have been thinking since the election, was all funny. Plus I am personally a sucker for the subtitled Hitler clips for some reason, even ones I don't really understand (usually forum in-jokes) I find somewhat funny. Sorry Rach, overruled.
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Originally Posted by j View Post
Sorry Rach, overruled.
No worries; you win some you lose some and I didn't articulate very well what I was trying to get at, which wasn't REALLY wah-wah let's censor jokes about Hitler. Anyway, I think to compensate I shall have to dub some videos of Ronaldo after-the-game talking about how much he'd love to go on a date with me.
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Originally Posted by rach2jlc View Post
No worries; you win some you lose some and I didn't articulate very well what I was trying to get at, which wasn't REALLY wah-wah let's censor jokes about Hitler. Anyway, I think to compensate I shall have to dub some videos of Ronaldo after-the-game talking about how much he'd love to go on a date with me.
I didn't think you were all wah wah let's censor jokes about Hitler. I think you were reading WAY too much into what's being said or implied by the video, that's all.
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Saw that a mod had edited my boobysexing threak title in DT. Sorry for the slip-up with the NSFW title.
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I avoided watching the video because I figured it'd be boring, but after this thread I gave it a view. Either I have complete manual control over my sense of humor, or it just wasn't funny to me.

I don't really care about the ideological background, moral lala or nada pues, but I don't understand the meme or the supposed humor. Uhhh...Hitler got mad. There were subtitles that didn't match with the German at all (and I didn't even understand most of it). The subtitles themselves weren't funny.

I'm guessing Hitler being angry was supposed to be funny?
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