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post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by Holvart View Post
I've crawled through the forum a bit before i asked and i found just the same thread you've linked to. First i thought maybe its just a similar construction but now i think you're right. He must have replaced the soles. I cant imagine the leather symbols on original soles. Even on loakes.

RTW shoes past a certain date have to have some indication of materials to pass customs, either way. Sticik-em-ons have become common. Those are original soles, heels. Which harness store, Miller's or Kaufmann's* in NYC, or one in Virginia hunt country? The boot trees are a nice touch.

"Even on Loakes" Keep in mind that those Loakes were 70% of the price of PRL C&J brogues at the time, not the current Loake.

*http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-11093154.html (sadly, defuct)
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by I. Gentantithesis View Post
They're Loake > http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/f...ad.php?t=74410

The adhesive paper leather symbols, alone, would tend to indicate production within the past thirty years.

Yeah I seem to remember when that movement against plastic/synthetic started in the 1980s they invented symbols for wool, leather etc to show they were the real McCoys. No way these boots are 60 years old - maybe 20 tops.
post #18 of 27
The only things vintage about this pair are the trees, which seem bespoke and are not original to the boots. I also think the soles ARE original and a dead giveaway as to the recent age and middling quality of the boots. I know what you want and the best way to get it is to buy a pair of fine boots - EG, Lobb, etc - and wear them for a few years.
post #19 of 27
Perhaps the seller accidentally lobbed on an extra zero when perhaps only wanted $1400 Unless you like to collect vintage shoes (if that is your fetish), such a shoe should be value priced at much less than the asking price...its a used shoe for heaven's sake If they are bespoke, then they are made to fit someone else's feet, not yours and may just be quite uncomfortable. Its bad enough that oxford balmoral boots are less comfortable than their shoe bretheren, but then a boot, specifically lasted for another...seems like a recipe for distaster and a collosal waste at $1400 Our own Ron Rider can build a nicer looking boot...in calf or cordovan possibly in the $650-1000 range...contact him for specifics Or Clifford Roberts, SF's balmoral boot specialist might do it for around 400 pounds
post #20 of 27
They are kind of RTW quality and fairly ho-hum at that. Nice colour though. I think the trees are probably worth more than the shoes.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post
They are kind of RTW quality and fairly ho-hum at that. Nice colour though.

I think the trees are probably worth more than the shoes.
+1. Nice color and trees, but over priced, IMO.
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by Holvart View Post
Somehow the leather seems too look very warm, as if it were alive. The Shannons dont seem to have that character right out of the box. I dont know if this is due to the patina it has developed throughout the years. I dont have any experience with old leather-goods. I dont know which factors determine the behaviour of old leather. Would be nice to know.

If you tell me an EG Shannon looks the same after some years with proper treatment i will definitely go for the Shannons or another new pair of the same quality.

does this quell your doubt about warmth?




post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by I. Gentantithesis View Post
Which harness store, Miller's or Kaufmann's* in NYC, or one in Virginia hunt country?

Well guessed, its Millers.

The guy also offers a good bunch of other shoes.
The only thing about the boots was that they were realy high priced compared to his other stuff and at the first look they had a real nice color. I wasn't going to buy them anyway. But there is a psychological effect when you see something is that expensive. For a short moment you think: "there must be something about it.".
His strategy is to make up big stories about his articles and sell them as rarities. I just wanted to hear some opinions from shoe experts, maybe they know something about it that i don't know.

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He may be nice, but asking $1400 for those, he is no gentleman.

I know, but i just wanted to be formal and polite.

I've never purchased worn shoes myself and i think i'm gonna stick with that attitude unless they are really something special and used 1 or 2 times.
I'm no fetishist or something like that. But i love good shoes like most people here. I've always worn shoes of a good quality most of them are C&J, AE and Grenson but i've never had one in the EG / JL class. I wanted to change that next time i visit paris. Or are there better ways?
I live in Germany and the problem with Germany is that you are far away from every thinkable center of style-culture. Most of the people here (of course not all) got no taste or a real bad taste and most of them are not interested in dressing a bit nicely. It is easily possible for me to order JL RTW shoes from local stores here but their prices are just ridiculous.
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by Holvart View Post
I live in Germany and the problem with Germany is that you are far away from every thinkable center of style-culture. Most of the people here (of course not all) got no taste or a real bad taste and most of them are not interested in dressing a bit nicely. It is easily possible for me to order JL RTW shoes from local stores here but their prices are just ridiculous.
Dependent on your region there are several valid options, for instance Frankfurt, Berlin, Hamburg. I find Diehl und Dieh in Frankfurt interesting for their selection of EG's, If Berlin is closer i Would have a look at the Maftei offering @ Atelier Fasan, If not Von Truschinsky. But do a search and you wil find lots of options on SF
post #25 of 27
This is the kind of patina I'd expect from anything approaching those prices.





post #26 of 27
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Originally Posted by Holvart View Post
... I've always worn shoes of a good quality most of them are C&J, AE and Grenson but i've never had one in the EG / JL class. I wanted to change that next time i visit paris. Or are there better ways?
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While in Paris take a look at Carmina (Av. de l'Opera), great shoes
post #27 of 27
I would never pay $1400 for a used boot.

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