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post #31 of 34
10/18/09 at 5:02pm
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so I guess country and rock are the same too?

Sometimes the line is blurred... but I don't see how this is a comparison to 'hardcore' and 'punk.' As a rule, 'country' and 'rock' aren't even (strict) derivatives of the same ancestor, whereas hardcore is very much a slight progression of punk.

If you want to propose a distinction between 'punk' and 'hardcore' as music forms (rather than the latter being an expression of localized youth culture), then I think you have to argue that punk never really existed in the US. The Dead Kennedys, Descendents, Black Flag even the Ramones (loud fast rules), et al. play as much a 'hardcore' sound as Minor Threat.
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post #32 of 34
10/18/09 at 5:09pm
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Originally Posted by Get Smart View Post
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Have you heard TSOL's "Beneath The Shadows?" I am a sucker for post-punk and I think it's a great record - albeit not hardcore.


+100 on The Descendents.



How about D.R.I's "Dirty Rotten LP?" Some of the fastest stuff ever. I think American Hardcore > all other hardcore, we "GOT IT RIGHT" first and the best.
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post #33 of 34
10/18/09 at 7:48pm
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What do you think, then, about Rocket From The Tombs? Ain't It Fun sometimes strikes a chord with me. I'm too young to have connected with any of the sixties stuff--which really went up to '75 or so. As a sixteen year-old in 1977-78, however, I was totally into the local punk scene (mostly via the radio, KSAN, because I was too young to actually go to most of the shows). I used to play the God Save The Queen 45 over and over on my parents old vacuum tube Magnavox system. And I dragged my mom down to Tower records to buy the Ramones first album; she wasn't really having too much of it, but I think she felt it was an improvement over Alice Cooper. I bought all the local San Francisco records (Crime, Avengers, Dils, etc.). Me and my best friend at the time would go from praising Murder By Guitar as probably the best thing ever, to really being into Neil Young and Funkadelic. In some ways it was a more magnanimous time. Funny thing is, when I listen to a lot of those records now they seem so mired in the sixties--which I always completely despised! The second generation punk stuff I never got at all. My younger brother was really into Black Flag, TSOL, etc.--the whole Orange County/Huntington Beach thing. I thought he just had the worst taste. As the eighties came on I took refuge in Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, and Big Star/Alex Chilton until the arrival of The Minutemen, Replacements, Sonic Youth, Butthole Surfers about mid-decade. And thanks, Doc, for remembering The Cramps who are even better as time goes by.
Rocket From The Tombs never did it for me as much as Pere Ubu. Even though it featured Dave Thomas's inimitable warble--a far more creepier warble than Bryan Ferry--the music didn't have the unhinged weirdness of Pere Ubu. A perfect example of this is the song "Jehovah's Kingdom Comes" from New Picnic Time where Thomas disturbingly waxes lyric about his faith to the discomfort of the other band members. The piercing full 30 second synth intro to "Nonalignment Pact" is another fine example. Lux Interior pulled off leather pants like no other.
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post #34 of 34
10/19/09 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by Coal_Mining_Polak View Post
Have you heard TSOL's "Beneath The Shadows?" I am a sucker for post-punk and I think it's a great record - albeit not hardcore.

How about D.R.I's "Dirty Rotten LP?" Some of the fastest stuff ever. I think American Hardcore > all other hardcore, we "GOT IT RIGHT" first and the best.

yea I have that on vinyl, it is a really good record, like TSOL trying to be a goth band. I love the song "Darker my Love" from the movie Suburbia, which wasnt on the BtS record even tho it was from that stage of the band.

bands like DK, Circle Jerks and Black Flag *were* called "hardcore" well before that became a formula for fast punk rock that has breakdowns and mosh parts.

that DRI record is great, I used to buy records just on the basis of how many songs were on it, if it had more than 15 tracks you knew it was gonna rage.

I agree that no one else really got hardcore right, other than American bands. I've never heard any good foreign hardcore that stands up to homegrown bands. Kinda like oi bands, there are some good USA bands, but only the British really do it "right", probably cuz it's *their* homegrown offshoot of punk that everyone else just copies but doesnt have the right mindset or something
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